What is an Iraq victory and how long will it take?

Question

I can't wait till the day there are parades for Bush in the streets of Iraq, how long will it take till then?

Answer 1

Well honestly I don't think that they will parade Bush,
it will be whichever president ends it. The only way victory will be in Iraq is when we pull out and let the Sunnis and Shiites handle their problems diplomatically. As far as Al Qaeda is concerned Osama and his crew will continue on (unfortunately) and grow in numbers because you can't wage a war on hate (terrorism as they call it). I see it like this, all terrorist don't come from the middle east (i.e. Timothy Mc Vaugh) and as long as there is somebody to teach hate for the US or anybody in opposition then a war is pointless. What happens Iraq doesn't help or harm any aspect of an Americans life. We don't know and a lot of us don't care if a Shiite Muslim dies tonight. It doesn't have anything to do with us. These people are in a civil war and we shouldn't be the one to stop it. We're losing our own men and women for what? So as far as the parades go you can keep dreaming and that propaganda B.S. about victory is just to spend tax dollars without complaint.

Answer 2

There will never be parades for Bush in the streets of Iraq. The war and its goals have been mis-handled and the americans were lied to regarding WMD's, but get over it.

The victory and parades will come when a real leader emerges from Iraq and is able to cross secratarian lines. Most people like to celebrate leaders they can identify with for most Muslims this is not going to be Pres. Bush. The parades will be for the next generation of Iraqi Leaders.

There can never be victory unless the people of the country want it, believe in it, and are willing to do what is necessary for it. Japan post WWII, became an post-war economic miracle. Western Europe was re-built by the Marshall Plan. The re-unification of East and West Germany and other such times to understand the amount of time and resources this will take. And unlike these examples, Iraq for generations has been held together by fear and violence. The struggles going on now are the chaos that George Bush Sr. feared and why when the Shiites (in the first gulf war) rebelled did not stop Sadaam from Slaughtering them. Maybe this time America can show it to be a friend to the people of the middle east. It will require sacrifice, but the American Public needs to ask what the right thing to do is. Not just what is right for America right now.

There are heroes that are standing up in Iraq everyday, and the Iraqi want them. This is part of the problem. As soon as a true leader emerges in Iraq, he is a target for insurgent groups and radicals which learned the lessons of Saddam well of how to rule by fear and violence. It is sad, but many in Iraq are afraid to stand up because of this. Soldiers in the Iraqi army live under conditions that the poorest american finds deplorable.

The Iraqi's will never be Americans and they will never embrace all of the "ideals" of America, but most do not want Americans to leave until after the law and order is re-established. Most of the work being done by the American Soldiers are not what they train for. They are doing it because the US State Department and Politicians refuse to. Where are these leaders? The seem to make the right guests spots on television.

In the course of this war and occupation, a few thousand soldiers have died. Millions of Iraqis have fled their country , but want to return when it is safe. How many Iraqis (not insurgents) have perished in this conflict? The total number of American dead is probably equal to the number of Iraqis found in a single mass grave site. What is the best course of action to honor the fallen and their actions? Would it be for America to run? Or perhaps does the country responsible for destroying the government by invasion and enconomy by imposing sanctions for over a decade owe something to the people that in its action has caused great suffering.

The last great muslim leader that was aplauded by the Muslim world was Nasser. The man the siezed the Suez from the Colonial Powers. Would American prefer the men and women whose leadership unite Iraq to be one that remembers America as a friend or the country that once again abadoned the Muslim world and its people. Everyone knows that real victory can come from the Iraqis now. What the best course that America can take to help this is a complex question, but whatever the answer it appears right now that the costs are greater than the average american is willing to bear. What does this say about the richest country in the world? Are the criticism of a nation of self-absorbed and self-interested people incorrect? The greatest generation (WWII) understood the need to of both sacrifce and when to stand strong. Even then America was awakened from its own dream by the attack on Pearl Harbor. Which would be the greater tragedy of this generation? The most powerful nation in the world sacrificed this position and in doing so brought into being the first Democracy of the Middle East of people from that land. Or the most powerful nation of the world preserved its power and position by serving only its own self-interest.

Answer 3

Odd isn't it? How, I wonder, did we get from "spreading freedom and democracy throughout the Middle East" to "maybe in a few generations we can leave Iraq in almost as good a shape as we found it"? The quotes are from my head, I just didn't know a better way to denote them as contained, separate thoughts.

Answer 4

i do no longer think of the two area could have "victory" yet usa will in all possibility harm Iraq's risk in a pair of months. the reason i say "victory" is as a results of the fact such lots of people have died and neither area is winning from this

Answer 5

Similar to a Germany or Japan. I suppose if we decimated Iraq in the same manner we did those two, things might be different but we have been saddled with crap we never faced in those. We will have troops there about the same amount of time.

Answer 6

Since you'll be long dead (and sorely missed :)) by then might I suggest that you go door to door (perhaps better said, collapsed home to collapsed home) over in Iraq and see what reaction you would get.

And wear an "I Love Bush" T.

Answer 7

petraeus says the cost of the war in iraq will be 60-80 body bags per month, and $9 billion a month.

Answer 8

More like a parade for our President whoever that is after Fred Thompson has served his two terms. 10 yrs minimum left.

Answer 9

When the Democrats control the white house.

Answer 10

you cant handle the truth@!

iraq victory was when they pulled that tyrant out of a spider hole