As far as I can see the worst accusation that can be levelled at Ron Dennis and the SEM of Mclaren is incompetence, because they failed to notice and stop the email exchange between Couglan and Alonso and Pedro. But that is no reason to fine Mclaren. They did not solicit the information and neither did they knowingly use it to gain an advantage. You cannot vicariously punish a company for the criminal activity of an individual employee. Ergo, case closed against corporate Mclaren and its CEO. Alonso and Coughlan used the information and therefore they and they alone should be fined by the FIA . In my view, Mclaren should prosecute all three (de la Rosa, Alonso and Coughlan) in a UK court for bringing the name of Mclaren into disrepute. Failing that, if I was Ron Dennis I'd dock Alonso's and Pedro's salary this year by $100m. Simple as that. Ohyeh, and obviously boot Alonso's moaning a.rse into touch as soon as he crosses the finish line at Interlagos. Which I am sure Ron will do.
2007-09-14 04:06:50 · 10 answers · asked by Foxhound 3 in Sports ➔ Auto Racing ➔ Formula One
Cheek-of-it-all - agree 100% on FIAT.I had a Fiat car once - absolutely rubbish everyday some part or other fell off , or stopped working. I'd never buy Fiat or any Italian car ever again, and certainly ever won't now they have stiched up Mclaren. Ferrari are such saddos.
2007-09-14 05:09:12 · update #1
It is an attempt to eliminate competition. If I was Mclaren I would stick my fingers up at the FIA and tell them to swivel on it.
I do not see how it would be worth their time and effort to use another teams data when they are only concerned with their own efforts, time put into a machine that they have developed from the ground up.
Having worked for an Italian company, I wouldn't go by any drawing or data that they may have had because 9 times out of 10 theirs ALWAYS something wrong with it and I know that as I handled enough schematics, TD's of Italian parts that NEVER matched the TD's or schematics in the first place.
Remember that FIAT stands for "Fix It Again Ted" well Ferrari ain't that much better, just more expensive.
2007-09-14 04:33:16 · answer #1 · answered by cheek_of_it_all 5 · 3⤊ 1⤋
I don't think the punishment suits the crime. But Coughlan did have access to confidential information for a long time (if you read the FIA press release). This information would have been used to either improve the McLaren, or in the least to speed up development time.
Also, there is clear evidence that De La Rosa had access to this information and that he passed it to Alonso. Coughlan also told Neale (his immediate boss) that he had been in communication with Stepney. Rather than act upon this information he decided it should be covered up.
I'm afraid that it was more than 1 rogue employee - but again, I don't think the punishment was appropriate.
2007-09-14 04:13:40 · answer #2 · answered by mark 7 · 1⤊ 0⤋
So design information was passed on - to the drivers! Hmmm - if you were going to cheat, who would make best use of the information?!
Oh, and if Ferrari had the information, why did they not use it and improve their own cars and the way the tyres worked - I seem to remember Ferrari complaining that Mclaren's tyres worked better than theirs and they must be cheating for that to happen. However, if Ferrari were doing the same (which they must have been doing, if Mclaren were using their ideas!), surely Ferrari must have also cheated!!!!!!
Oh, I have always liked Ferrari (since Villeneuve!) but do think they try to twist everything so they win. I am sure that is why Schumacher fitted in so well there!!!
2007-09-14 23:35:16 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
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2016-12-13 08:57:49 · answer #4 · answered by bartelt 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
i just read the report on f1.com, it states that mclaren had info on the breaking system and the gasses used to inflate the tires, as well as weight distribution, i do remember earlier in the year people remarking at how mclaren have been the only team to have made the Michelin/bridgestone jump, and have done quite well at that, not to mention pit stop strategy, and rear wing construction,
and you really believe that the race driver test driver and engineer had this info and dennis new nothing about it?
are you kidding, if you truly love mclaren demand they be better than ferrari, dont make excuses for them they are guilty
they should shut up and be happy that the drivers still get to race
2007-09-14 06:07:20 · answer #5 · answered by eyesinthedrk 6 · 1⤊ 2⤋
1. McLaren DID notice and try to stop the E-mail exchanges. See part 6 of the judgement.
2. The precedent set by the Nuremberg War Crimes Trials shows that a leader is responsible for the actions of his subordinates whether he is aware of their actions at the time or not.
3. ERGO McLaren are guilty.
2007-09-14 05:39:36 · answer #6 · answered by piggingheck 5 · 3⤊ 2⤋
Without access to ALL of the information that the FIA has accumulated or the ability to actually read any of the e-mails passed around, do you really believe you know the whole story? There's lots of behind the scenes details the public will never know about. So far, I believe crime and punishment are fairly even.
2007-09-14 05:05:00 · answer #7 · answered by Nc Jay 5 · 3⤊ 1⤋
It's not much of a punishment is it.
$100m is a drop in the ocean to those people.
Points deduction would have been more of a deterrent if they WERE guilty.
It all seems a bit cloak and dagger stuff to me.
2007-09-14 04:23:29 · answer #8 · answered by Andy F 5 · 1⤊ 2⤋
According to the FIA through the BEEB, Nigel Stepney Ferrari's Chief mechanic was the one who gave them the info!
It's on CEEFAX!
2007-09-14 05:06:37 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 5⤋
Oh, it's ok to cheat then?
C0CK!
2007-09-14 05:29:50 · answer #10 · answered by Robb the B.D.C. 5 · 2⤊ 2⤋