Why do “progressives” have a problem with America trying to ensure Iraq has a moderate secular government?

Question

khorat k – Do you really think it is a good idea to just put big walls up around our nation, huddle down and hope everything else in the outside world goes in our favor?

Why do you want law enforcement in your neighborhood? To keep the crime down.

Think of the world as your neighborhood. If we just allowed every sicko, nutball leader of a country to cut off our oil supplies and acquire WMD’s you would never drink another macchiato or watch the Simpson’s again.

Isolationism will only get us killed. Denial will only get us killed.

The enemy is whoever is going to get you killed no matter which side he is on.

Surely you don’t want to get us all killed do you?

Strattz – because Clinton was too busy playing with his interns in the oval office when he should have been fighting the war we are in now.

Remember this?

After the 1993 World Trade Centre bombing, which killed six and injured 1,000, President Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

After the 1995 bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed five US military personnel, President Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

After the 1996 al-Khobar towers bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed 19 and injured 200 US military personnel, President Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

After the 1998 bombing of US embassies in Africa, which killed 257 and injured 5,000, President Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

After the 2000 bombing of the USS Cole, which killed 17 and injured three US sailors, President Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

Maybe if Mr Clinton had kept his promise, an estimated 7,000 more people would be alive today.

greye_wolfe - see my response to Korat k

ndqbill - while respect a lot of what you state and pursue much of what you advise for reading, we must deal with what we have. I wish we could just forget the past and move forward but, the enemy wouldn't allow that. They wouldn’t say, “hey thanks for understanding our grievances, tea anyone?”.

"Fight those who do not believe in Allah, ... nor follow
the religion of truth... until they pay the tax in acknowledg-ment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection."
Qur'an, Sura 9:29

We must defend ourselves from the threats of this world, even if it is as penance for our past mistakes. I won’t lay down and die for any reason.

Answer 1

Because they want to do it under a dem president and they can claim all the credit.

Answer 2

Another Bush protege spinning and selecting isolated facts in an and ultimate conscience or un-conscience mission to obfuscate at best,lie at worse.
http://www.serendipity.li/zionism/israel_terr.htm


http://www.allaboutpalestine.com/articles/a_terrorist_story.html

http://www.chss.montclair.edu/english/furr/essays/rokach.html


As a result of ZIONIST TERRORISM which included mass murders,assassination of diplomats and a host of other atrocities that would make Bin Laden PROUD,both the US and British governments swore publically that they would not rest until these vile/filthy Zionist terrorists were BROUGHT TO JUSTICE .

The two major ZIONIST TERRORISTS who were responsible for these TERRORIST ATROCITIES were I.Shamir and M.Begin .These two filthy murderous dirt bags went on of course top become RESPECTED PRIME MINISTERS OF ISRAEL and the only friggin thing the US and British government did to bring these slime balls to justice WAS TO GIVE THEM A STATE DINNER HONOURING THEM !!!!!!!!

So,I have no idea why you bothered citing all these other lying dirt bags and their promises to BRING BIN LADEN or who ever to justice for our governments (i.e. WE THE PEOPLE) will sleep with anyone IF IT IS IN OUR OWN NATIONAL OR PERSONEL SELF INTEREST.

Repulsive stinking monumental hypocrites all.


And while I am here and on another subject ,here is an excellent article from the reputable Herald and New York Times,ridiculing the link some are making (Specifically Podhoretz and a few of his disciples here ) between Islam and Fascism as being intellectually,factually and ethically bankrupt.

http://newcentrist.wordpress.com/tag/counterterrorism/

Answer 3

Why should the United States ensure what type of government any other country has? The Iraqis need to decide this for themselves and defend their own country. You can't create a country or a government for another people.

Answer 4

Why should MY tax dollars PAY for this???????

I am expecting an answer back!

http://www.uuforum.org/deficit.htm

You wrote:
"Strattz – because Clinton was too busy playing with his interns in the oval office when he should have been fighting the war we are in now."

And that is the reason that MY tax dollars should pay for the civil war in Iraq????? I don't get your thought process!!

Answer 5

The idea of a 'moderate' secular islamic government in Iraq is naive and unrealistic. The best we can probably hope for is a friendly, moderate dictatorship.

Answer 6

America is made up of 50 states and a couple of territories. I did not know Iraq was a part of America. America has no business requiring any other country to have any type of government.

Answer 7

I can't speak for the progressives, however this is how I see it, if the American people don't want the radical Muslim to come to the U.S. and change our ways, why is the U.S. going to Iraq to change the ways of people who are not radical Muslims?

Edit: You don't need to go to war to make buddies with your neighbor. Whatever happened to diplomacy?

Answer 8

Because it s not our job to tell outher people hodw to run their lives. its THEIR country.