anti or pro is there a possibility of the McCanns being framed?

Question

Well the majority of the regulars will know I fall into the catogory of 'pro' McCann not that I agree with child neglect for one miniute! leaving those children alone is something I would have never considered as a parent..but............

I have a few questions and ....im asking these quesions as I don't have a definate anwers to them myself and I'm going to run them by you lot

here goes...........

1. why did the forensics take so long to establish a proper crime scene in the apartment (including cuddle cat)t,Portugal is not a 3rd world country.
2. why wasnt the car impounded if it had such crucial evidence and the flat sealed off completely.
3. If they were guilty why would they court such media attention?
4.What actual facts are there, they keep saying dna, is it blood confirmed in the boot of the car.
As much as you may be anti, is there anyway they could be framed for this?

no abuse im fragile tonight..lol
So much is wrong with this case

Answer 1

.1. why did the forensics take so long to establish a proper crime scene in the apartment (including cuddle cat)t,Portugal is not a 3rd world country.

A: The police were orginally assuming that the child had just strayed rather than an abduction had taken place, as they were called when the camp were out looking for Madaleine. The McCanns inviting at least 20 people into their appartment did not help. And gives rise that what they did was deliberate to smother any forensics which proved that there was no 'abductor'

2. why wasnt the car impounded if it had such crucial evidence and the flat sealed off completely.

A: the police have had to gather evidence over a long period, and the car is just one source of evidence. To move on the McCanns too early would have tipped them off that they were suspects at a too early stage in the investigation.


3. If they were guilty why would they court such media attention?

A: What better defence than to have a nations media and people on your side. If you look at it, that has worked. Much of the UK media are still giving the McCanns the benefit. The UK media attacked the portuguese police, and the British in Portugal have been less than helpful to the Portugues Police.

4.What actual facts are there, they keep saying dna, is it blood confirmed in the boot of the car.

1) Madeleine is missing
2) The McCanns themselves admitted repeatedly leaving their chilodren alone at night.
3) There has been zero evidence of an abduction apart from Jane Tanner (one of the Tapas 9's observation)
4) The was in which the McCanns have conducted themselves since Madeleine when missing, is part of the investigation.
5) The Police have forensics matches of DNS. 'Bodily fluids' rather than blood, and the dogs evidence of detecting death at the scene and car.

As much as you may be anti, is there anyway they could be framed for this?

A: yes its possible but only in the general sense. I believe the case is too high profile to even attempt a frame up even if they had police that did that. I believe they are being very careful to make sure that they have a good case before proceeding.

Of note though there is a British track record of Police framing in some very high profile cases, the most recent in question is Barry George for the Jill Dando murder http://www.independent.ie/national-news/evidence-may-clear-name-of-dando-accused-1064125.html

Answer 2

1. The only thing we know is what the papers have said. We don't know if the apartment was properly sealed. The Mccans were the ones suggesting this.
Having said that, the first police force to get there was the GNR, they deal with minor crimes.
It was reported Kate let 15+ people look in the apartment, possibly destroying any chance of evidence the 'abductor' was there.
Lets not forget this is an holiday apartment and its probably rented to 5 or more families each summer, the amount of fingerprints, DNA in that apartment would be immense.
2. They might have taken all the evidence they could get from the car.
By returning the car to the Mccans they could get more incriminating evidence, like if they saw the Mccans trying to 'clean' the car.
3. PR stunt. The first story to be told by the media is the one that sticks, by telling the world it was an abduction, no one even considered that the parents might have had something to do with it.
A cover up, everyone would ask all why would they want so much media attention if they were innocent...
4. I don't know for sure, as I said, all we know is what is said in the papers, some say blood, other say body fluids and hair, some just say DNA.
I don't think theres any chance they are being framed. Why would the police try to frame them when they could frame Murat, I don't think anyone would complain about it even if there wasn't as much evidence against him as there is against the parents.
Why would they try to frame them when it seems like they've got so many powerful friends?
The police would have too much to lose by framing them.
Not to mention they would have to be in it with the British Police, seeing as they helped with the forensics and interrogations.

Answer 3

I cannot comment on whether or not the McCanns did anything wrong as I wasn't there and only know what has been in the news and press. I am concerned about the way the McCann's have manipulated the media which will backfire on them. If anyone is charged over Maddie's disappearance how can they possibly have a fair trial after all the media exposure? Everyone already has an opinion on the case. I feel that the McCann's have been very media savvy and have made a big show of what good people they are, being filmed going to church and so on. I am also concerned about how the press here has made out that the Portuguese police are incompetent. They may be. I don't know what was reasonable to expect from them in the circumstances. However, whatever the outcome, some people will blame the police for their actions. Much of this almost quasi xenophobia seems to appear in the tabloid press.

Answer 4

Hi Lexy, I'm sure lots of us are beating our brains out on this one! This is what I think is possible, for what it's worth.

l. It seems that Praia de Luz is basically a glorified fishing village and the local cops are probably the same as our local bobbies, no experience in real crime, just the drunken holiday maker sort of stuff. I think this could explain the initial blunders made by the police, before they called in the CID.

2. You're on your own with this one, I have absolutely no idea. It doesn't make sense.

3. If they are guilty, they are very cool customers indeed and anything is possible.

4. According to a reasonably reliable source (Telegraph) a substantial amount of hair and body fluids were found in the boot of the car.

5. I can't see that the PJ would risk a frame up. The McCanns have some very high level supporters, including members of the Government and I don't think the PJ or the Portuguese Attorney General would want to risk a diplomatic row. They may be incompetent but I don't buy a frame up. If they wanted a scapegoat, Robert Murat would have been a much easier target.

Answer 5

Never have liked the term anti or pro in relation to the McCann's. You are saying what myself and many others have been saying on here for months which is if anyone did know the answers or have proof we would not be constantly debating on this subject. I and others are being called 'fence sitters'. Truth be told what else can you do when you just DON'T KNOW? This means I (we) can niether agree or disagree with the opinions of those who are so sure. Naturally as they also DON'T KNOW they cannot take up any challenge to prove their point.

Answer 6

I dont really know the answers to your specific questions but why would the police try to frame them?

One theory is that they want to make Portugal look safe for tourists. This possibility seems very unlikely though, the likelihood of it being exposed as a sham is very high. The damage to the reputation of the police and the country as a whole would outweigh the potential benefits.

I think that fit ups are a thing of the past. The police used to be able to get way with that sort of thing but not anymore. The McCanns will employ top class lawyers and any problems with the evidence will be very quickly exposed. The police know that and its not worth their while to attempt it especially with the attentionof the worlds media on them, imagine how stupid they would look.

Putting that aside, assuming they wanted to frame them how would they do it? If its true they have found lots of hair where did it come from? Where did the body fluid / blood samples come from? They dont have access to the body.

I suspect they also have lots of other evidence such as intercepted emails and phone calls. Sure they could always have been faked but its very hard to believe that.

Conspiracy theories are great but are hardly ever true

Answer 7

There is another point worth looking at. On most modern cars today, the spare wheel well is a recessed item that if you look underneath the cars floor you will see jutting out below. When the spare wheel is fitted into this well from inside the boot, there would be a carpet type material in the boot which would cover the wheel and the well it sits in.

If as we are told, that hair has been found in the well, obviously this means that the carpet has been removed with possibly the wheel being taken out to put a childs body in there.

If this is not the case and people are saying the dna comes from items, how did it get under the carpet in the wheel's well then without the carpet being lifted up.

Answer 8

i do not beleive they were 'framed'. one must remember that this couple are doctors and may have had police involvement in the past as doctors. they would i am sure be fully aware of how police forces deal with incidents and the need for containing any evidence such as dna. the point about dragging twenty? people into the hotel room does not make much sense in this respect? many people will now be considering this couple to be guilty and many people will have their thoughts coloured by any covered-up case by doctors or health services that they have heard about or experienced, i speak from experience! things are covered up all the time and 'damage control' is acted out. i for one do not trust doctors in general!! i have my own thoughts on who is responsible for the 'disappearence'. one thing i would like to say is that if the unfortunate family had a hand in this, how would they act? faced with losing the other two children and both careers, family life, family home etc; there would be a total breakdown of this family. i personnally hope little maddie is safe but i fear the worse! i would not like to be on the jury for this one if the case ever came to court in trying to convict the parents.

Answer 9

Morning Lexy, the only problem with that theory, is that if it were true, then there could be a chance, that the child could turn up alive the future.
then it would mean that the investigating, police would end up in prison themselves.
i cant see the police taking that chance.
there was over twenty people in the apartment after the child went missing, so the crime scene would have be contaminated to no end, and i think that the police knew from the start that they were not dealing with an abduction.
and when you consider the Dogs findings in the apartment and the booth of the car, and the fluid based DNA, extracted from the hire car, was a chemical discharge, that can only come from a dead body.
that means the child's body was in the hire car twenty five days after she went missing.

i know that you hope for the child's sake that your suggestions about this could be true, but sorry Lexi, its not.
i would also like to think that i could be proved wrong with my thoery, for all the children, but i cant seeethat happening, cheers.

Answer 10

There's always a possibility of someone being framed..if they are found guilty of a crime against Madeleine, and they are innocent, it will show up in their case file, there's always something that good detective work, and lawyers, can find.

Mmmm, I say that and yet there are still innocent people in jail.

I notice Gerry always says he knows Kate had nothing to do with harming Madeleine, he never says, 'WE', always Kate.

I don't think these parents are being fit-up, I think the police are doing their job, slowly but doing it all the same, and when everything is pieced together, we will know the outcome.