Womans mark on society......?

Question

I could help responing to this questionName the most powerful woman on politics or business or philanthropy that you know and explain why? We got Lisa Ling, Oprah, Hilary Clinton, some german chancellor womam, and Rachel Carson.
Compare these to Einstein, Martin Luther King, Socrates, Bill Clinton, Abraham Lincoln, Winston Churchil, Bill Gates etc etc.
Why do us guys have to believe the whining hysterics we get if we chose to believe we are not intellectually equal!
Of course, women were never educated is what you will say, I would ask you to look beyond the last 300 years history (tough if you are american!) Look at todays society. I dont see any women being banned from university, or anyone stopping them inventing new modes of thought and running business empires!!!

Wendy G - Despite the fact that none can be named apart from the german chancellor.........? - Running countries? ha ha ha

KA1227 - fair point there. Im sure einsteins mum did a good job.

WENDY - You sound is if you are losing your temper a bit now as the fragile egocentre crashes down! Margaret Thatcher ruined a country for a start, so she can be discounted as a succesfull leader - I would post the male list, my dear, but not enough space, I will just add that 99% of science, art, literature business and mans advance could be accredited to men. fact. In comparison, your list of womens philosophers works dont really compare to Plato, Aristotle, Kant, Marx etc do they. Please live in the real world and accept it.

Super ruper - I will use incorrect punctuation and grammer from now on, if that's what gives you a giddy thrill of superiority over your peers, so be it!
You comments on Bill Vs Hillary - so you don't see it that Bill was the one that brought them succes and Hilary just opened her legs at the right time to get herself on his gravy train - it's the Catherine Zeta Jones/Victoria Beckham approach - ps I am from the UK where we have grown up politics rather than personality contests and flag waving competitions, so both to me are repugnant (oh, that's a long word, get your pocket thesaurus out you dufus!) Oprah has loads of influence, right. In Europe we really care a lot if Oprah decides to take up a new cause, she's almost as powerfull as George Bush! What utter tripe.
The difference between you and I, my friend, is you have style but no substance, I have both, but no punctuation. I know which Id rather be sunshine.

Ms Sophisticate - "men like you" - yep, I'm redneck scum. I talk right-wing politics, can come from a rough part of town. Is that what you mean? Just accept the fact that far more has been done by men, and most advances were made by men! Its true. Higher ability at mathematics is the route of all this, and mathematics is the reason you dont die at 37 with no teeth. also, "BTW it is a known fact that most of Einstein's discoveries were actually made by his unknown wife " HA HA HA HA HA. Relativity was theorised by Einsteins wife ha ha ha

Answer 1

Wenders always regresses into hysterics and anger. It's her way.

The first woman to win best video award at the MTV music awards was Amy Winehouse for a video about how if her boyfriend cheats she will commit domestic violence against him. The video shows her stalking him and committing that domestic violence.

Does that count?

Answer 2

Dear God, where do you get this bunch of BS you call your scientific sources from? That was one stereotype on the top of another. Ignorance at its ugliest. I am simply embarrassed that in this day and age people like you still exist. Do society a favor and crawl back under that proverbial rock, where men like you belong. No one will miss you. Make sure you accidentally don't reproduce: future generations will never forgive you that.

But if you are still curious, here is an incomplete list of some great ladies: Marie Skladovskaya - Curry, Margaret Thatcher, Golda Meyer, Jeanne of Ark, Queen Victoria. Czarina Cathrine the Second of Russia etc. BTW it is a known fact that most of Einstein's discoveries were actually made by his unknown wife Mileva Maric ( thank you Sassy !) ( it takes courage to step aside and let the man you love take credit for all your hard work). I can go on and on for hours sharing my own extensive knowledge of the brilliant ladies of the world, but that wouldn't make any difference to people like you. For your kind, stereotypes are easier to swallow. My deepest regrets to your mother...

P.S. In your humble opinion Margaret Thatcher is not good enough? But your very male president George w.bush is? BTW, to be able to judge anyone at all you should be as impressive in your own achievements as they are. What have you personally done for society lately or ever?

Answer 3

What's wrong with your statement is that you are defining all important human contributions in terms of fame. There are many, many "unsung" heroes and heroines (and their deeds come in all shapes and sizes) in this world. I would venture to guess that quite a large number of these valuable contributors are women, and just because their contributions did not make them famous does not make them any less valuable.

Historically, men have kept women out of positions of authority, kept them from being educated, and thereby kept them from achieving "fame." However, women have worked behind the scenes, unacknowledged, and yet throughout this uphill struggle have managed to contribute much. We just haven't received due recognition. We have not had the same opportunities as men, either. Fame is not the only measure of success, nor is it the only measure of valuable contribution. And in most cases, it is not the only (or best) measure of intelligence.

Answer 4

Well firstly, you are making the assumption that women believe they are intellectually superior to men, or that we dispute that men are our intellectual equals. I assert that intelligent women wouldn't enter into this kind of debate, as it is impossible to prove empirically, and frankly, not a necessary one. You will find women (girls) on YA who will engage in this discussion...but please, do not use them as your sampling of women today.

Now, if you want to make those kinds of comparisons, then lets be realistic and throw out Einstein, King, Socrates, Lincoln and Churchill - only because they truly predate women's encouragement or even ability to contribute. Is that fair?

That leaves us with Clinton and Gates from your list. From the women's list, we have Hillary vs. Bill. Again, hard one to debate. There are many who believe that she was every bit as intelligent as her husband and had a huge impact on his presidency. But there will be political issues involved in this debate, so we can't find objective ground. That leaves us with Bill Gates. And frankly, you got us on that one. There is no one I can think of off the top of my head that beats Gates for his influence on business today.

But lets go back to that original question. The question was about power and influence....not intelligence. Can you, regardless of your feelings about her, negate the power and influence of Oprah Winfrey. I certainly don't think much of her as a woman (completely different discussion), but I would be foolish to suggest that she is not powerful in her own right. Her name, lent to any business or career, is an endorsement unparalleled.

If your case is to prove the intellectual superiority of men, I would suggest that you probably aren't the best suited to lead the charge. Aside from the glaring spelling and grammatical errors, the presentation of your case is lacking in cohesive thought or any real weight.

I don't believe that either gender corners the market on intelligence...and thankfully, it isn't a necessary requirement for the continuance of the human race. Working together works just fine for me...combined strengths make us soooo much more successful!

EDIT: Thats me...a giddy little school girl!!

For the record, I didn't bring up the Clintons...that was you. And I did mention that discussions of politics were a little futile, because they were impossible to carry out with objectivity.

And, I'm not American. You assume my allegiance to that particular flag and politics, but you'd be incorrect.

The basic premise of my response was to suggest that any kind of discussion about who has intellectual superiority is ridiculous...from both men and women. But you seem to have forgotten the whole point of your question and the subject matter, and are altogether focussed on other things. If you wanted a fight, why didn't you just ask for one instead of hiding behind some kind of a question which you clearly have no interest in discussing?

Answer 5

You do realize that it's only been about thirty years since the idea that women COULD be world leaders, scientists, etc, was taken seriously, right?
And women ARE now running corporations, inventing important things, and running countries. Where have you been?
LEADERS OF COUNTRIES:
Margaret Thatcher
Corazon Aquino
Golda Meir
Indira Ghandi
Angela Merkel
Mary McAleese

and more...
http://www.terra.es/personal2/monolith/00women2.htm

http://www.terra.es/personal2/monolith/00women3.htm

http://www.terra.es/personal2/monolith/00women5.htm

Women scientists:
http://www.factmonster.com/spot/whmbios2.html

Women philosophers:
http://www.geocities.com/athens/forum/9974/old.html

http://www.geocities.com/athens/forum/9974/middle.html

http://www.geocities.com/athens/forum/9974/ren.html

Women HAVE made significant contributions to our society and culture, DESPITE the social stigma AGAINST women taking on such roles as scientists and philosophers. It's believed that Socrates mentor was a woman...chew on that for awhile.
And why should we believe the whining hysterics that women aren't "as good", or "as smart" or "as useful" as men...when there is mounds of evidence to the contrary?

EDIT-I was already on it before you edited @ me. Take a look....quite a long list, huh? Indeed, there are TOO MANY to name, so I gave up and just posted the long, long list instead. Enjoy!

EDIT- I'm losing my temper? You don't know me, so don't presume. I am actually quite happy...to prove you wrong. It's merely your opinion that "women don't compare." Have you read the works of the woman philosophers? No? Of course not, history and our patriarchal society has overlooked them; they bucked the status quo, and achieved, again, DESPITE the society that sought to oppress them.
Besides, your point was that women have not made contributions. I proved we have, DESPITE an oppressive social system that discounts the contributions of women (this bears repeating).
Also, I have not tried to make this personal by calling you a bigot, or an idiot, or insecure (what are you trying to prove? And why?). So please have the common courtesy to do the same. TY.

Answer 6

No whining or hysterics here.
Fact: a woman gave birth to each and every man on your list. She contributed 50% to the gene pool -- so the intellect WAS there. Or are you trying to deny the genetic component of intelligence?
In addition, the mothers of these great achievers had significant influence in these men during their formative years (and beyond), providing for their basic needs to allow them to pursue their grand ideas without having to expend their energy on mere survival.
THAT is a woman's mark on society... Now if you would only recognize it and attribute it the value it deserves....

We may not be identical in every way, but we are worth the same.

Edited to say: "Plus what Wendy said."

Answer 7

Aren't you the same guy who thinks that all sex is "pure objectification?"

And you're trying to tell us that because you have a penis, you're smarter than we are?

Anyway, I think women have come a long way in the thirty or forty years since we've been "allowed" to be human beings. It's not perfect by any means, and there are obstacles that must be overcome, but I think we'll be seeing a lot more women in powerful postitions in the future.

Answer 8

ever heard of albert einstein's first wife Mileva Maric and her thought to be silent contributions to his developing his theory of relativity, quantum physics etc-no?

Answer 9

You can certainly choose to believe you're not "intellectually equal" to women.

You can also choose to believe you're a jelly doughnut. That doesn't mean you ARE one.