Do you want us to stay in Iraq for 10 more years at the cost of another 9,000 dead soldiers?

Question

Yesterday Nancy Pelosi asked Gen. Petraus if his plan was ultimately to keep us in Iraq for 10 years.

Given that anywhere from 2,500 to 7,500 Iraqis are killed each month, most of them innocent civilians, and about 60 to 100 American soldiers are killed each month, 10 more years there would mean, CONSERVATIVELY, about 9,000 more dead American soldiers, probably anther 18,000 to 24,000 Americans wounded, and CONSERVATIVELY, another 420,000 Iraqi CIVILIANS killed in 10 years.

So, are you OK with all these dead innocents and all these dead soldiers? And what does that say about you?

And, what do you think Iraq will be like in 10 years if we stay that long?

Short Bus---you are sadly, but funnily, sick. I know you're joking---I just hope everyone else does!

grips---I did not "pull that number out of the air". I did the math. We have lost 60 to 100 soldiers each month since invading Iraq. I averaged that to 75 a month.

75 X 12 = 900 per year.

900 X 10 = 9,000 more dead mothers, brothers, husbands and wives.

I figured out the projected Iraqi CIVILIAN deaths the same way.

To those of you who say these casualties are so much "better" than the deaths for Korea and Vietnam----

Do you know anyone who died for this oil grab?

Do you know anyone who died for this Halliburton corporate venture?

If your wife, husband, best friend, son, daughter, mother or father were among the next 9,000 would it all still be OK with you?

And what if 10 years still isn't enough time to turn this 1,400 year civil war between Shia and Sunni into "peace"?

Answer 1

I think its only psychotic who wants US to stay in Iraq for longer period. Those people absolutely have no remorse and respect to the soldier who sacrifice them self there for no specific aim or reason.

Answer 2

Let me say that I believe in the war and its aims.

There is a real truth that has to be understood. IN WAR PEOPLE DIE!. In this case its the price we pay of trying to create stability in the middle east/Arabian gulf area... If the civilian deaths were directly attributable to our troops firing on them , then I would be appalled and I would be first to be shouting from the highest mount that the war is wrong!. However those civilians are being killed by their own people in an insurgency that is trying to destabilise the whole area which if went unchecked would eventually spread to other neighbouring counties ultimately threatening the flow of oil though the gulf and most likely cut off oil supplies to the great Satan! and the rest of the world.

The troop deaths are regrettable and are the price we pay for wanting others to have the same freedoms that we enjoy!. I suspect if you could go back to the American war of independence and ask the irregular soldiers of George Washington, whether the deaths of so many of their friends in the fight against the British every last one would say yes .. what ever the cost . we must gain our freedom from oppression.. The king George's Army would no doubt be saying we have to stay until the job is done! no mater what the cost!.. We all know how that war ended and its directly due to that war that Americans enjoy the freedoms That they have.. Iraq will eventually calm down, the insurgents think they can win by attrition of American public opinion in much the same way has the in the ending of the Vietnam war , This time however there is far more at stake than smelly jungles and rice paddies and Americans should stand firmly behind their troops no matter how depressing the news from the front!.

Answer 3

That is based on a belief that everything will remain the same, without change, and that's not a sound basis for projecting the long term effects.

The fact is that civilian deaths are on the decline, by some 50%, since the beginning of the year. As for the Iraqis, they are being killed by other Iraqis, not by the US troops. The US troops are trying to protect those innocent Iraqis, against terrorist insurgents that some leftists on here have the gall to call "freedom fighters". The number of innecents being killed would only increase exponentially if we were to be stupid enough to pull out without having finished the job.

As for being OK with deaths, no, nobody is "OK" with all the casualties. But these are part and parcel of military operations, and it is due to terrorist insurgents and infiltrating terrorists. If they were to stop, then so would all the deaths.

What is says about me is that I'm not some leftist loon who "feels" instead of "thinks".

Answer 4

2500-7500 Iraqis each month? Where does this figure com from?

You are more likely to die a violent death in Washington DC than you are in Iraq. That is just statistical data. We can play with numbers all the time.

Here is a real question for you. The Korean War never ended, as it was stopped with a truce/cease fire, and not an actual peace treaty ratified by either the USA, or the UN security council. We still have troops there, after all these years. South Korea is a better place because of it, and North Korea is a cesspool. Should we bring our troops home from the Korea Quagmire? Why/why not?

Answer 5

All their blood is on George Bush's hands.

He got us into Iraq for no good reason, and on trumped up "information." Frankly, I'm starting to believe that he and the CIA were behind the 9/11 attacks, to set things in motion and incorporate fear into American life.

As a result, we have dead U.S. citizens and MANY more dead innocent Iraqis. Therefore, Bush has committed treason, crimes against humanity, and war crimes. Oh, and I link Cheney with him completely on all of this.

Mark my word, Fascism is rising in this country, and martial law is just around the corner. We'll attack Iran [for NO good reason], other countries like China and/or Russia will bomb us to finally stop the tyrant, and the ensuing panic here will trigger martial law. And then God REALLY help us all.

It's all just so obscene and despicably evil. And I can't begin to fathom why this has come about. Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Franklin, and all the other Founding Fathers didn't create this glorious country just so it could become the world's bully -- they did it to escape FROM the world's bully, King George. So we've made a perverted circle and become the tyrant, and with another heinous George at the helm. Now ain't THAT an ironic kick in the pants?

Answer 6

One question can answer your questions:

"Do the ends justify the means?"

If 10 years and 9,000 total American lives plus more civilians means Iraq is a peaceful ally of the US, then I would say it is worth it. The men and women that die accomplishing this should be proud to take place in such a monumental achievement, considering that 70% of Americans today think the war will never end and Iraq will never be peaceful.

If no results can be achieved, then not one life lost is worth anything. This is why I oppose withdrawal: are you going to forfeit the sacrifices of the 3,000+ that have already died, all for a political game to embarass the Republican party?

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Answer 8

You're missing the goal, Asker!

The goal is to defeat Iran from within without us firing a single shot in anger. Eventually, if not now already, the Iranians will look east and see the Afghannis and look west and see the Iraqis living and thriving under their own forms of democracy. The Iranians will want this for themselves, but their leadership will resist.

THIS is the goal - not troop deaths.

It all depends on your definition of "Peace," Asker.

Does your definition of "peace" include being abducted and thrown literally head first into a grinder? Well, that is the fate some Iraqis faced under Saddam. Granted, the literal meat grinders are gone, but you may still get blown up by some idiot jihadist who's looking to "fight the power." Would you rather be blown up or ground to a pulp? Neither option appeals to me, but these are the risks through which the people who live there must suffer to get to the other side where there will be laws to protect them and peace for all.

Answer 9

Whats best for America is a continued war .

Almost all of our war materials are made in the united states .
These are the good jobs promised if you went to school stayed off drugs and believed in God .

We can not undercut the values america is built on just to save 10,000 people or the 30 ,000 wounded .

Those losses are part of the acceptable loses to keep millions of good Americans working .
What would this nation be without the government jobs and defense contractors .

Without these good paying jobs america would be in a depression and tens of thousands of people would die .

Drugs and alcohol would be common among the people in despair and crime would run rampant as id did during the thirties .

How many people died then because America had abandoned its war machine .

After ww2 they decided that we always need to be in some kind of war because peace breeds contentment and prosperity comes from war .

SO given the failure of peace to maintain an economy war was chosen .


I want a good economy and if that means 50,000 people get killed it worth it for the 300,000,000 (300 million ) who prosper .

More women die in child birth then in military conflict .

More people are injured on the roads then in conflicts .

We or should I say you need to come to accept that this is the way things work .

Answer 10

Here is your alternative.

Tell your congressional representatives that you are willing to sacrifice your lifestyle as it would be affected by an extreme reduction of oil from the middle east. Things like taking public transportation and giving up driving your cars. No more air conditioning. Prices of everything you buy would quadruple. No more fresh fruits or vegetables that you don't grow yourself.

Now go convince a large majority of your fellow citizens to accept that sacrifice too.

Please don't fool yourself into thinking for one minute that our soldiers are dying for democracy or God. They die because we demand fresh lettuce in the grocery store 12 months a year and the ability to hop in the SUV and tool on down to the mall to pick up some new sneakers any time we please.

Answer 11

Well being that the overwhelming majority of the Iraqis dying are being killed by the insurgents/terrorist, I dont blame the US. If the US could fight a serious war rather than having to be extra careful and waging a PC war we could wipe the terrorists up. If the left stood behind their country instead of condemning it then the terrorists wouldnt feel that all they have to do is hold on until Americans force Americans to withdraw- this is the same thing that kept the north Vietnamese in action according to their own General Giap. You actions have consequences- act like it.