I would sincerely like to hear the strategy of those who support Ron Paul.
It is clear that he will not receive the nomination from the Republican Party under any circumstances. Those in the Republican Party do not see him as representing their views, so that is simply not going to happen. Is anyone prodding your candidate to run Independently so your voices will be heard?
Paul's supporters campaign endlessly for him, and kudos to them for standing behind what they believe. But do you see that he has no chance at the nomination or do you still believe the Republicans will suddenly change their basic beliefs enough to look at him as their ideal?
How do you all plan to actually get him elected if you believe in him so strongly? Is there a strategy that reaches beyond the Republican nomination?
Please, I'm not looking for campaign ads. I'm looking to read a realistic summary of the problems he will face on his own, w/o the Republicans and how you all plan to surmount it.
2007-09-10
07:07:42
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rooster:
What do you mean "my candidate" going along for the ride? I didn't mention any candidate other than Ron Paul. I'm sorry, but I found your answer to make little sense.
2007-09-10
07:21:01 ·
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rooster:
I read your post again, and all I got from it was that you believe he is going to win the primaries. Okay then, so you believe in miracles. I guess that's a stance in itself, but has little to do with reality.
2007-09-10
07:24:30 ·
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Think 1st:
I am asking you to continue thinking first, and attempt to actually answer the questions, rather than just leaving campaign ad material. Thanks, I hope you use add'l details to do so. How do you all plan to get him elected without the support of the Republicans? Is that so hard to answer?
2007-09-10
07:26:22 ·
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amnesty sucks:
I'm beginning to get your point.
2007-09-10
07:27:08 ·
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Eric, RI:
So, what I got from that was you have no objection to him running Independently. Okay, but are there plans for him to go that direction? I don't even watch FOX, much less think they are the Republican Party. The Republicans have made their contempt for Paul very clear. No one needs FOX News to tell them that.
It amazes me that you think he can beat Hillary Clinton, but then that's what opinions are for I guess. The rest of what you left was nothing but a campaign ad, exactly what I asked not to receive in the answers from Paul's supporters. I don't understand why I can't find even one of you who can discuss Paul in realistic terms without a bunch of fantasy attached to it. Oh well.
2007-09-10
11:05:58 ·
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rooster:
Yeah, I get it all right. You think he's going to win the primaries and all the conditions you claim will happen depend on that. That is the problem in itself. If you really believe he has a shot at winning the primaries then we have to part ways at that juncture. I've yet to have a Paul supporter explain to me how he's going to win the primaries when he barely registers even name recognition in ANY national poll. I was hoping to find a Paul supporter who had a grip on reality explain that there is some alternate plan for his ultimate victory since the Repubs will never give him the nomination.
2007-09-10
11:18:51 ·
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beesting:
Thank you very much. You indeed answered in a way that addressed my question. So what I'm getting from your answer is that you believe that if you get enough people to cross over and vote in the primaries you think he can win them. I don't agree but I do thank you for explaining at least a part of the strategy his supporters are using to try and get their candidate elected.
2007-09-10
11:21:30 ·
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sunny:
Kudos to you. You are the first, and I mean the FIRST Paul supporter I have come across that is realistic about his chances to win the primary or the election. I don't expect people who support a candidate to come out saying "he has no chance BUT," but part of the annoyance many feel about Paul supporters does come from their tendency to ignore reality and act as though he's the front runner when he's not. Thanks again. You presented a reasoned and reasonable picture of the truth.
2007-09-10
11:25:27 ·
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Joe:
Thank you to you as well. A very well thought out answer with interesting information. I'm almost starting to feel that there are people who really can discuss Paul's standing in this election with more objectivity than I thought.
2007-09-10
11:28:15 ·
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jessisbeautiful:
Thank you to you as well. You were honest and forthright with your answer and I applaud your loyalty to a candidate you clearly admire. I do not support Paul, for reasons I won't go into here. But thanks to those of you who answered with reasoned responses I am developing a higher respect for his supporters than I have had up to this point.
2007-09-10
11:30:33 ·
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Think Richly:
Thank you for your answer as well, appreciated.
2007-09-10
11:32:06 ·
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justanotherjoe:
Hmm...
Okay, well thanks for wishing me luck with Hillary, who is indeed the candidate I support.
I know that if she were not the front runner and so visible I would still support her, just as strongly as you all support Paul. I believe in her just as strongly as you all believe in Paul, and that belief would be the same were she at the bottom of the ladder or at the top of it where she is currently. So I don't look down on Paul supporters at all. The only thing I have some frustration over is the tendency of so many of you to dismiss reality and logic when it comes to his place in this election. That place may change, and I do wish you all luck with that, but right now he is not a realistic contender. But thanks to many of those who answered I now have a sense of what your strategy as a group might be to try and change that.
2007-09-10
11:40:54 ·
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At this point, I'm working on Paul's campaign not because I actually think that he has a prayer of getting elected but because I believe in what he stands for. To be honest, I never really thought that he could win the primary - he's not polished or charismatic enough - but I did think that his ideas would draw more support from the American public and force candidates who could win to take a hard look at the direction in which our country is going and feel the same sense of urgency that I, and others, feel. Perhaps make a few adjustments in their systems of belief and make changes in the status quo. It was a pipe dream but hope springs eternal.
I don't think running on a third party ticket is going to help him at all because we're a two party country. In short, there is no way to make him "electable" and those of us who don't want to waste our vote (and, frankly, this election is too important for anyone to waste a vote) will have to find a new candidate which will be extremely difficult considering the options.
Amnesty Sucks, you've made it very clear that you don't like Paul and that's your choice. I don't like the candidate that you support but I respect the fact that you've taken an active interest in what is going on in your country which is more than most Americans can say. Please show everyone else the same respect that you would like to be shown. Your repetitive comments and blatant disrespect are getting a bit old.
2007-09-10 07:48:49
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I've been trying to do so when and where I can. I usually try to wait for about 30 minutes to an hour after I see a Ron Paul question to give plenty of time for other people to respond so that I clear up as much as a I can the first time.
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It's pretty simple. There is no real strategy. It's the people. Frankly i admire it. It's what will get him elected. Elected.........that sure takes on the true meaning in the case of Dr. Paul. The man has my vote. And yes i truly believe he will receive the Republican nomination. Why? Because of the people. Reagan once said "Trust the people." In this case i happen to fully agree. Please if you have a problem with my summary, then by all means rebut it. but the facts of what's "really" occurring are very hard to hide. And the Republican party knows this as well. As do the dems. Its the people driving the machine on this. Not the money , media, nor special interests. This baby has a mind of it's own. And from what i can see from my lowly observation it will not be stopped. However, good luck with......ummm Hillary. Have a nice day.
You know two songs come to mind when i think about whats happening in the pursuit of " Love of true freedom". Bryan Adams "Can't stop this thing we started" and Bon Jovi's "It's my life."
2007-09-10 08:36:24
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I understand what your saying.. I'm an avid supporter of Ron Paul and no I won't write excessive details here about why you should vote for him. I'll answer your question, just like you requested. There are problems, money and the media that only endorses top tier corporate sponsered candidates... The stragedy is simple.. raise more money for his campign and get the word out... Ron Paul has a huge grass roots following, one which has raised him much money already.. As soon as people started to spread the word out there about him... he automatically became the most searched for candidate on the interent and began doing better than top tier candidates in straw polls... What seemed like a long shot.. started turning into an actual possibility.. I know it is still a long shot, but I'd rather support a candidate that I truly believe in, rather than just someone who will screw us over.. but since they seem to have the mainstream attention they have a better chance... What started out as an internet craze.. is something you can see at debates on tv now when people cheer tirelessly for Ron. If we can get to this point.. I can only hope that we can keep pushing it further.. As much attention as he has gotten, I didn't ever expect.. When I first heard of him.. there were only two articles on the internet that mentioned him.. now there are countless.. No I'm not trying to say that everyone knows who he is.. but it's still a huge difference... His campaign continues to grow support.
2007-09-10 07:58:40
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Thank you for your sincere question. While I can really only speak for myself, I will attempt to give my perception of how I think his campaign will proceed. I want to give some background to my answer. I hope that my initial comments don't come off as a rant. I will answer your questions directly in due course.
I am campaigning not for the man but for the principles. I think that the United States became great on the heritage of limited government. And I think that the American people (I don't care so much about this party crap) have forgotten that heritage.
In order to reverse this course, we don't need a particular leader. We need individual Americans believing that they can direct their lives better than the government can. If it were possible to elect Ron Paul without changing minds to this principle, I think that he would be up against a wall to do the things that he claims to want to do.
I think that Ron Paul understands this.
Now, to directly answer your questions:
1. Ron Paul stated pretty firmly early on that he would not run as an independent if he did not get the Republican nomination. It seems like the issue is settled with him. [Of course, if he does fail to get the nomination yet still proceeds with an independent run, you have every right to come back and hit me over the head with it.]
2. I think that Ron Paul IS trying to change peoples' basic beliefs - not just Republicans.
3. You're assuming that Ron Paul has to convert die hard Republicans in order to win. He clearly hopes to do this, but there is an extra component to the formula for his success. Independent, Democrats and others are registering as Republicans in order to vote for him in the primaries. Because of this, he has to get fewer rank-and-file Republicans to go for him. [Incidentally, this is a fact that the polls usually miss.]
So in summary, I think that his principal challenge really is to change hearts and minds. If he fails to get the Republican nomination, I will continue to speak out against excessive government power. I think that Ron Paul will as well. I couldn't say in exactly what way - guess you'd have to ask him. You might try sending him an e-mail. You might be surprised with a response. I hope that you'll communicate it if you do receive one.
2007-09-10 07:58:15
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Good question Elway, you posted:
"I would sincerely like to hear the strategy of those who support Ron Paul."
We, and the members of the meet-up groups where I live are re-registering as Republicans, simply to be able to vote in the primary elections.
We sincerely hope to simply outnumber the neo-con thinking Republicans @ primary election time.
These people include former dis-allusion-ed Democrats, Former Libertarians, Independents, Green party, non-affiliated eligible voters. {Which, by the way outnumber registered voters by a large margin} New, for the first time young voters....
......And current Republicans that don't agree with the current president.....Of which there are many.
Who are the Many, you may ask?
People who are tired of war! People who feel they made a mistake in the last presidential election!
People who haven't voted for anyone for years!
I hope that answers your question.
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2007-09-10 07:54:03
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If Ron Paul does not win the Primary I would not be opposed to him running as an independent.
He probably is the only one that can defeat Hillary Clinton.
Contrary to what you might believe, Fox News and the other News Channels are not the Republican party.
I agree that he will never get their endorsement.
As of September 4, Ron Paul has won 9 of 23 straw polls.
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/straw-poll-results/
Ron Paul received more than 10 times as much in donations in the last week of June as he received in the first week of April.
http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2007/Q2/C00432914/A_DATE_C00432914.html
Sportsbook.com rates both Paul and Romney at 8 to 1 odds which is approximately an 11 percent chance of becoming the next President.
Mitt Romney's campaign only had 35 percent more cash than Ron Paul after subtracting debts on 06/30/2007.
Romney's contributions from individuals dropped by a third from the first quarter to the second quarter.
Paul's contributions almost quadrupled from Q1 to Q2.
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/2008-presidential-candidates/?nid=roll_08campaign
Ron Paul's $2.4 million in fundraising after the second quarter placed him:
4th in total receipts to date
3rd in total current assets (ahead of former front-runner John McCain, and just $800,000 behind Mitt Romney)
2007-09-10 07:30:43
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Thanks for asking the question. I used to be a Democrat supporter before I knew about Ron Paul. After watching Aaron Russo's documentary "America from freedom to fascism", I saw what was the root cause of the problems in America's economy and politics. I also learned about Ron Paul's strong economic principles and a consistant voting record. I have never seen a politician who had a solid understanding of the economy AND also had strong principles AND also had a TRUE desire to help the people instead of politics as usual campaign promises.
So, I vote for him for his strong economics background, his honesty, his integrity, his consistent voting record, and his true desire to help people with his excellent knowledge of how things work in Washington. I vote for him because he is the only TRUE defender of the Constitution, while others just pay lip service to it.
The obstacles against his campaign are: public ignorance and misunderstanding, media black-out, and lack of special interest funding.
The way we overcome the obstacles is to educate the public, to encourage the media to include Ron Paul, and to find alternative sources of funding from the grass-roots.
2007-09-10 08:41:46
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sorry to tell you this but he will win the primaries whether or not your candidate comes along for the ride or goes independent will be the real story - we know what we have to do to win with only 6.6 percent of registered republicans voting in the primaries and all the hardcore ron supporters you will have difficulty overcoming our vote - we intend to educate every american as to what ron paul stands for not how he is portayed. those willing to listen and be open minded will make the effort to vote where as those who watch FOX all day will not until after the primary - good luck may the best man win !ok .so after he wins the primaries -he is against the war in Iraq and will bring the troops home(which is what 70% of americans want ) -so that would pretty much negate the independent vote going to the dems -when they see he wants lower taxes - much smaller federal govt - balanced budget-has a plan to eliminate the deficit - has a plan to get us out of the up coming recession and to fight inflation which historically occurs right after or towards the end of a war -and he is willing to stand up for americans rights while at the same time providing security. I really dont see going to the white house as a problem. when a candidate speaks the truth he really doent need to defend himself just continue saying it . as for you didnt mention another candidate. you gave a snowballs chance in hell for him to win so I assume you support someone else. also this is not campaign add material it was a link to prove that only 6.6% of repubs vote in the primaries - got it ?
2007-09-10 07:18:43
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I've asked this same type of thing. All I get back is a long-winded rant about Paul being the only "true Conservative" and other junk. "Eric RI" has the same long rant he keeps posting.
After watching the debate last week and seeing Paul's melt-down with Huckabee, how can they support him? He looked like a kook and it made Huckabee look good. They next day they proclaimed that he was "brilliant" and then he "kicked his butt" regarding the Huckabee exchange.
Paul has MAYBE 3% of the vote. He can not win. Paul's supports should get a life.
2007-09-10 07:15:08
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