What is the democrat's / liberal's plan?

Question

I am not bashing liberals and democrats, and I am not here to insult your views or opinions. I am simply asking a reasonable question that I feel deserves reasonable answers. So let's see if you can answer my questions with the standard Bush-bashing I have seen much too often......

Quite simply, what is the democrat's / liberal's plan to achieve victory against international terrorism? What is the plan for achieving victory in Iraq? Or is complete withdrawl and retreat the only option you see for us at this point? Again, I am not trying to insult anybody. But so far I have yet to hear any actual PLANS for doing a better job of fighting terrorism or actually WINNING in Iraq. So if any of you have an actual plan, I'm giving you the chance to explain what that plan is. Thanks!

Answer 1

Here's their plan.

1. Keep saying how EVERYTHING the Republicans are and have done is wrong.

2. Don't tell what the Democrats are planning to do. (Actually they don't have a plan. But that is irrelevant.) The reason is IF they do tell what the plan is and it seems like a good idea it just might be adopted. And IF it's adopted it might fail. And for a Democrat plan to be a failure would mean the ruin of the Democrat party.

Why?
a. Democrats are never wrong. If you don't believe that just ask a Democrat.
b. If the Democrats are ever wrong it's the Republicans fault.
c. If the Democrats are ever wrong and it's not the Republicans fault then for once in the last forty years Democrats would have to admit they were responsible for failure. And that would lead ot questioning by the rank and file of other things they said they were never wrong about.
d. In the event of c. happens refer to a.

See how this whole liberal Democrat things works?

Don't do anything. Don't say anything except 'It's the Republicans fault'. Don't take responsibility for anything.

Answer 2

There's no victory to be had in Iraq so it's impossible to answer the question in those terms. I don't care how many people give me thumbs downs or dismiss me as a "defeatist". The reasons for going to Iraq have not been vindicated, Iraq posed no threat to us and there's no end in sight to this quagmire. Republicans and Democrats deserve one another by the way: they both voted for this war, for the Patriot Act, and extending both. If a Democrat had been in the White House and declared war on, say, Yemen Arab Republic or Algeria, and that hadn't gone so well, how fair would it be to then ask Republicans "Well, what's YOUR solution to achieve victory?" When a war is ill-advised and based on falsehoods from the start, staying the course only brings more of the same. There's no way to win a war that shouldn't have been declared in the first place and that has nothing to do with conventional warfare of the past.

Answer 3

Uh, there is more than one democrat, and more than one liberal in the country.

Asuming all democrats and all liberals have exactly the same idea is absurd to anyone who has the first hint of a beginning of a clue.

If you want to know what some particular dems think, given the existence of the internet, you could find out.

For instance, I was reading of John Edwards plan (which is quite specific) just the other day. You could type his name into your favorite search engine, go to his site, look for his policy statements and positions, find the one on fighting terrorism, and read it.

Only the most oblivious and clueless people imagine that there's a way to win in Iraq.

Even if we nuked the entire country, murdering everyone there, we would "lose" in the sense of being criminals and becoming the enemy of every human being on the planet.

If you wanted to know people's plans, you could find them. Since you haven't tried even the simplest methods of doing so, I doubt you sincerely want to know.

My personal plan (which I don't expect to be implemented) is to stop supporting brutal and oppressive governments, get the international community and (real) leaders in Iraq involved in helping Iraq pull itself together, and immediately ceasing all human rights abuses we now engage in.

We need people familiar with the Middle East, and able to understand Arabic, and we need the cooperation of other countries and groups, in order to identify and stop terrorists.

And we should use aide and other forms of assistence to win over those who aren't (yet) terrorists.

If we clean up our act, fewer people would hate us and want to kill us.

As long as we are a brutal, terrorist nation ourselves, we'll always have people committed to do us harm.

Answer 4

Neither the Democrats or Republicans in D.C. have a coherent plan.

But here are my thoughts, - as a Democrat of sorts:

1) Prior to us invading Iraq, it had nothing to do with terrorism. Since we invaded and created a can of worms it has become a place for those who hate us to go and fight against us. However, most of the violence there is Iraqi's killing other Iraqis. If we leave, there will be civl war and Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia will all attempt to influence the outcome by sending in resources and support.

2) "Winning" should not be our focus. Our focus should be doing what is in the best interests of the U.S. Spending half a trillion dollars is not worth it. People seem mostly unaware of the HUGE negative effects to our future of continuing to dig ourselves deeper into debt. If we can't finance this war RIGHT NOW (are you willing to pay an extra several thousand dollars out of your pocket per year to keep this war going?) then we have no business fighting it. It's not fair to put it on the nation's credit card and force our children and grandchildren to pay it off.

3) Economically and militarily, we are the most powerful country on Earth. That means we will ALWAYS have enemies, and occasionally they'll land a blow. We need to accept that. It sounds harsh, but 3,000 deaths every once in a while is manageable. We have already lost more than that many soldiers, not to mention the 100,000 civilians that have been killed as a direct or indirect result of our "war on terror".

Finally, - all of that said and done, here should be our plan:

a) Stop trying to "rebuild" other countries. We're good at bombing things and destroying them. We've proven time and time again that we suck at rebuilding countires and creating democracies. Let's stick with our strengths.

b) Get out of Iraq. Instead, pick a side (Sunni - because we don't want an Iran-Iraq Shite alliance) and join with Saudi Arabia in funneling resources into Iraq to ensure that the Sunni's come out on top. A secondary concern is to have them implement a government that is less repressive than Sadaam's and to not kill Shiites right and left. This will cost TONS and TONS less money than what we're doing now, plus we won't be losing American lives.

c) The war on terror should not be about ego or proving how tough we are by "winning in Iraq". Instead we should focus on continually knocking down terrorist organizations and countries that support them - NO REBUILDING - that's for panzies!

d) Don't sweat small, conventional attacks. Sure, they're a bummer and we don't want any attacks, but our major efforts should be at preventing the spread of nuclear, chemical, biological technologies to terrorist organizations.

e) We should put money into behind the scenes efforts to shut down financial capabilities or terrorist organizations. Our military efforts should be in small, special ops teams that can go into countries when necessary are pull off sneaky sh**. Additionally, we should use small bombing raids, drones, etc. to take out targets when necessary.

f) NO OCCUPYING COUNTRIES!!!! NO BOOTS ON THE GROUND!!! This just loses us support, engenders more hatred in the Arab world, inspires MORE terrorists, weakens American support for military efforts, costs too much money, and ultimately doesn't work and makes us look like idiots!

Answer 5

1st - Iraq was a big mistake and is now a huge mess.
thus a "reasonable" answer would be -
Look it's not our fault that we are not sure how to fix your huge mistake, it's your mess, but now we have to clean it up for you !
so.. your going to say that republicans should get to stay in office just because they made a mistake so big that no one is really sure how they are going to fix it ?

2nd - After Tora Bora in Afghanistan the war on terror moved to Pakistan (not Iraq). Al Quaeda has a Safe Haven and Training Camps in Waziristan. You can give all the excuses you want as to why we didn't do the right thing - but they are still nothing more than excuses !

so.. the most simple answer regarding the war on terror is this "Democrats will fight the war instead of giving excuses"

Answer 6

Well, we must clean up the pile of crap that Bush stepped America's foot in in Iraq first. That will be really hard since it's a really big pile of crap.

As for the war on terror (as OPPOSED to the war in Iraq) --INFILTRATION is the key. More COVERT actions and less OVERT actions are also important. Hire more CIA operatives than speak Farsi, Urdu, Arabic and different dialects of languages within the Pushtun (sp?) regions of Afganistan and Pakistan. Also we must try to WIN hearts and minds again instead of merely BLOWING UP hearts and minds as has been our policy thus far.

Answer 7

Conservatives declare that the rich are activity creators yet that's a distortion of the reality. the genuine activity creators are customers, the persons who purchase and use the products that the rich produce. while the economic device is undesirable customers spend much less, hence businesses have much less money which finally leads to extra human beings getting laid off. by taxing the rich democrats are attempting to make issues much less complicated for customers, which permits them to consume (purchase) extra stuff, hence helping employer and growing to be extra jobs. Trickle down may appear effective yet fairly the rich tend to hoard that money and it gets used to purchase a trip abode in Bermuda or its stashed into some offshore account somewhat than being positioned returned into the economic device.

Answer 8

Institute world socialism and eliminate all individual liberty around the world. Eliminate all religion to stop terrorism and morality. Create a Utopian society where half the people work and the other half just lay around and breed. No stealing would be required in a world like that. Everything would be handed to the lazy class, thanks to the work of the rest of us. And everyone would be happy being ruled by the elites like Al Gore and Ted Kennedy. With Mikey Moore as director of propaganda.

Answer 9

The initial plan has to be to evaluate where the current war on terror is going? There are too many conflicting reports, such as we are winning the war on terror yet Al Qaeda is back to its pre 9/11/01 strength. Even the report which Patreus is about deliver shows some problems like the change in the definition of what constitues "sectarian violence".

Once a benchmark is established, we need to change tactics. You can't fight a covert enemy with an overt force. Our military is set up to attack a set military force. Terrorists effectively use civilians as cover. Asking these guys to become intellegence specialists while trying to dodge bullets from an unseen anamy is asking too much. There is a need to draw down the troop level because they are not suited for this type of fight. To fight an enemy in this arena you need to be ready send in covert forces that are indigineous to the area. They can get in where our troops can not and see people operate. That means being ready to use diplomacy with foreign leaders in order to get access to the enemy.

Success can be measured by how many cells are taken out and the amount of information on plots that is uncovered.

Answer 10

Quite simply?

I wonder how such a complicated situation as presented by the middle east as 'so simply'. It's obvious the prevailing so simply simple shock and awe as you trip and fall plan isn't working. So we ask the liberal/democrats how to plan for failed plans of conservative/republicans.

I'd present the major ideal that as a democrat, the republican president who won't listen to anyone else, including Jesus, to get the hell out of Iraq with our military. Forget about making money off the oil there, forget about re aligning islam with christianity, as he's not the pope or anyone like that, forget about getting a Nobel prize for offing saddam hussein, forget about saving grace and becoming a serious speaker for money preaching to the choir, forget about enforcing our democracy on the middle east at the point of a gun, it's not our job or obligation to force any issues there but in the actual defense of our nation. Just stop it.

He won't stop of course, so we'll have to elect someone who can stop, listen, learn then act accordingly. Just say NO to Bush, it's OUR country too.

additional point/question:

What is "Bush Bashing"?

I've heard that term since George Bush Jr. was elected, but yet to hear any quality defintion for it. The only reason I ask is that you used the term in relation to your question about demcrat/liberal plans.