***SIR ISAAC NEWTON & his atheist friend, what lesson should be learned?***?

Question

Question posed to atheists, from an actual occurrence!
--Newton once had a skilled mechanic make for him a model of the solar system. Balls representing the planets were geared together so as to move realistically in orbit. One day an atheist friend visited Newton. On seeing the model, he operated it, and exclaimed in admiration, “Who made it?” Newton answered, “Nobody!” The atheist replied, “You must think I am a fool! Of course somebody made it, and he is a genius.” Newton then said to his friend, “This thing is but a puny imitation of a much grander system whose laws you know, and I am not able to convince you that this mere toy is without a designer and maker; yet you profess to believe that the great original from which the design is taken has come into being without either designer or maker!”
--Newton’s friend made a complete about face, with humility!
**What about atheists of today , do they lack the reasonableness that they claim true believers in the God of the Bible lack?

--SO THEN back to my question
***"WHAT LESSON SHOULD BE LEARNED by atheists" --ON reasonableness?
---WHICH has not been addressed by many except by ignoring what Newton said!
-----WAS he not direct enough?
-----THERE SEEMS TO BE a methodology that people who do not want to supply a straight forward answer use even though they might not be aware of it:
--IT IS QUITE interesting that there are what the book "NASTY PEOPLE", by Jay Carter, calls INVALIDATORS on many of the pages on this site!
--THIS IS what an invalidator does and acts like on others and their ideas:
***MY PARAPHRASE:
Many times what an "invalidator" does is belittle peoples ideas, to lower the esteem of others or the reality of his concerns & ideas, as some have tried to do with Isaac Newton & many other noteworthy individuals, used as reference!...
WHAT ABOUT--Johannes Kepler who remarked on one occasion: “Just like a human architect, God has approached the foundation of the world according to order and rule."

***FOR THOSE who don't believe the quote, or wish to know what the present source is:
--It was from one of our books , as Jehovah's witnesses!
--OUR SOCIETY is careful in presenting any quote in the context that it was quoted and in accuracy.
--I have the confidence it is from a proper source and will do more research on it , for my benefit as well!
--THE present source is:
*** gh (1976)chap. 6 p. 54 par. 10 The Source of Good News—“God”

--IT MAY HAVE COME from the book that was published in the 1970's:
---- w75 11/1 p. 651 Insight on the News
● Sir Isaac Newton, ...........The “Encyclopædia Britannica“ calls his book on “Mathematical Principles of Natural Philosophy” “one of the most important single works in the history of modern science.” Recently, a new publication entitled “THE RELIGION OF ISAAC NEWTON”(my caps) makes even clearer the profound respect this renowned scientist had for the Bible as God’s Word........."

Answer 1

Why was Isaac Newton illogical??? He makes perfect sense to me. Isaac Newton had high inteligence; he didn't necessarily need to know exactly how the universe works to understand that it required a designer.

Saying that "you don't understand how a car works, therefore how can you say it didn't evolve" is a stupid argument. If you were traveling through a barren desert (e.g. Space) and came across a house (e.g. Earth), would it be stupid to conclude that someone must have made it? Biologists, of all people, should understand that complex life forms don't just happen. It's almost as stupid as what they used to think years ago, that if you left a rotten rag somewhere, that it evolves life (i.e. rats / maggots). Life comes from life, not from non-living matter.

Interestingly, the science journal "Nature" reported in 1997 that almost 40 percent of biologists, physicists, and mathematicians surveyed believe in a Creator. But the rules of science is, "No miracles allowed", so is there any wonder why most hesitate to admit believing in a higher power? Evolutionists make out that EVERY scientist believes in evolution, and that the people who don't, are just stupid or un-objective. This is simply not true, even some biologists don't believe in evolution (not because of Christianity), but because it doesn't "add up".

Evolutionists mostly ignore any valid issues raised by any scientific Christian and resort to name calling and humiliation ("what, so you believe that a fairy poofed life into existence?!")

Creation - God created man using the elements of the earth.

Evolution - Rain poured down on the rocks...a biological "soup" just happened, millions of years along the line this soup made man...oh, and it was accidental.

And yet evolutionists say that Christians are unscientific and rely on faith! If you were given ALL the time and space/matter in the universe that it needed, how long would it take for a house to build itself? Which does it require more faith to believe in? Evolution is just as much a religion (it dates back to Egyptian times). They say that the bible is old and out-dated...well when's the last time they checked their so called "evidence" and out dated text books?

Evolutionists say that doubting their theory is "destructive to mankind". You mean like Adolph Hitler was...who believed in survival of the fittest?

To say that Christians compare "apples to oranges" when reasoning that life couldn't have evolved is not a good argument either. If your house didn't evolve then that is good logic to conclude that complex life didn't either. To compare matter to living organisms is not bad reasoning, we get half our engineering skills from observing nature.

Then evolutionists say that life started simply and as more organisms evolved they helped each other. That doesn't make sense, because life is orderly, so is the cosmos. One does not survive without the other. Take computers for example. No matter how simple (even the first ever computer), the monitor wouldn't work without the graphics card, and the graphics card wouldn't have a purpose without the monitor. Look at the eye, no matter how much you try to simplify it, one mechanism doesn't work without the other....they had to be made at the same time. How does evolution even explain why life accidentally evolved eyes in the first place? Or why animals have intelligent pre-programming (i.e. instinct).

Using logic and common sense to an evolutionist is pointless; they will defend their religion to the end.

Answer 2

Sir Isaac Newton Friends

Answer 3

And this all occurred about 400 years ago... Nice job, using three different types of falicious arguments to make a "point". So, Newton believed in God. He was wrong. Big deal. HIs Newtonian Laws also do not seen to apply to the entire universe either - so he was wrong in that aspect as well.

Answer 4

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Answer 5

This story is almost certainly apocryphal, and occurs in various forms with other scientists standing in for Newton. In any case, it illustrates the logical fallacy known as appeal to authority.

The argument itself, whoever may have made it, is not really convincing. The orrery is clearly man-made; we know how machinery comes to be. On the other hand, we can observe the natural world to be self-sustaining and self-replicating. It is presumptuous to insert divine intervention at some arbitrary point in the observed processes. God in this case serves mainly to assuage our discomfort at the immensity of the universe.

Answer 6

An atheist is defined as one who believes in no deity.
Deity
1 a : the rank or essential nature of a god : DIVINITY b capitalized : GOD 1, : SUPREME BEING
2 : a god or goddess
3 : one exalted or revered as supremely good or powerful
The belief in a supreme being is not the domain of any religion in particular, much less anyone's interpretation of what the deity is. It would be possible to see the cosmos itself as the supreme being. In that case would someone still be an atheist? Not by definition!

Answer 7

Religious people believe that God cresated the univers by means of the naturaql law in naqture. Atheists believe that the natural lawsof the universe created the universe without a being.

Answer 8

Newton. although a great scientist, knew nothing about the history and structure of the cosmos. His model was of the solar system -- he knew nothing of the theories of planetary formation. Although he was a genius in many ways, he fell into the classic trap of "I don't understand how this could have come about naturally, therefore God did it".

Modern knowledge of cosmology would make his response appear ignorant if he were to make the same argument today. As a scientist he would have embraced that knowledge and would never have made such an illogical statement.

Answer 9

I'll answer your question with a question, why do believers feel so threatened by Atheists that they must proselytize their beliefs here in Astronomy & Space board?

If you're happy in your beliefs, great. Give your sermons in church and leave us alone.

Answer 10

I don't know if there was a real question in there, but that was a good story. It is easy to see design, intelligence, and order everywhere we look, but not many atheists like to admit that. I find it odd that they are the ones who claim that creationists don't understand science, and that we are turning a blind eye to facts.
By the way; where did you get that story? I'd like to use it sometime and I need the source. Thank you...