Was the black hole already there before the big bang?

Answer 1

Not in any models of theoretical physics I am aware of. View that a creation event occurred (sparking the Big Bang, then inflation - then the expansionist epoch) - possibly from a quantum irregularity of titanic proportion, possibly from a interaction of membranes of existence under M-theory - we can't reliably model or predict yet.

But science assumes no relativistic existence prior to just a bit after the big bang - explicitly 10 ^ -34 seconds after the big bang when inflation ended and the expanding universe (now the size of a basket ball - having dimensionally unfolded out at 50,000 times lightspeed) cooled in the process enough for quantum gravity to break down into the four forces that underpin relativity (electromagnetic, strong and weak nuclear and gravity).

Gravity or the curvature of spacetime itself is one of these four forces. Before space and time and any force carrier in any environment there was simply no field to consider. There was nothing in this no field, no time passed in the no field and there where no force carriers in the no field.

You can't easily correctly imagine time being run backward to understand the the big bang. Stuff didn't simply rush out to fill an existing emptiness - there was no existence to displace. Existence itself rushed out defining its properties as it went.

So big bang is over in a flash and after 10 ^ -34 seconds inflations is over and spacetime separated out under SuSy and unfolded more than simply expanded. Spacetime unfolding is not necessarily relativistically bound (to speeds under c). Things can't move or transfer information through a relativistically dominated field faster than c - but the field itself can undergo a dimension transformation in ways not limited to objects within the field. So objects in galaxies or other gravitational bound volumes are relativistical bound and may not systematically break relativities rules for more than an instance (per Heisenberg's uncertainty principles rules). But far flung galaxies can appear to separate at speeds exceeding c because they are being carries along not just by recessional velocities through spacetime but by the dimensional expansion of spacetime itself - but I digress.

Gravity is most correctly the curvature of this spacetime field - a field property - not a force. Things of it as a leakage of properties of the underlying dimensions of spacetime and the energy and matter in it.

Space tells matter and energy how to move - matter and energy tell space how to warp. Before the field existed the properties of said field weren't instantiated. Black holes are extremely curved (closed) areas of spacetime where (inside an event horizon) - we could postulate the four forces may again re-combined back into a non relativistic field ruled only by quantum gravity). To talk about a black hole pre-supposes the field and its curvature exists.

Think of it this way - creation event - 10^100 joules of energy dumped into a point source. Gravity and spacetime don't yet exists - else you'd instantly have a black hole of event horizon about 80% of the size of the observable universe today and nothing would escape the gravitational well. But that's relativistic physics. We are talking real high energy stuff here - time space, the four forces don't exist, SuSy has to break down as this cool to average energy densities below 10 ^35 GeV (giga electron volts) or say 10 ^35 Kelvin - before the properties of the Universe start to phase in. The properties of the Universe don't appear to predate its existence!

Hope that helps!

Answer 2

Up until recently there were 2 theories as to how the Universe was created The Big Bang and the Infinite Universe theory. Having said that I theorized that there was a Universe already in existence like our Universe. It too had black holes which merged as they got bigger and closer to each other, pulling the smaller less powerful into itself and in turn become powerful enough to consume all Galaxies and becoming itself the Universe. It consumed everything until it was the only thing left. After a period of time all the matter it engulfed built enough energy to cause a chain reaction. Einstein theory of 4 basic elements that make up the Universe. The reaction (THE BIG BANG) explode and create a new Universe (The big bang Theory Vs, the Infinite Universe theory is there really any difference).

Answer 3

No it was not, but I can tell you what might have been there. My theory and some other scientist's theory is that the there were thousands of universes before ours. The universes kept expanding and crunching.

Think about it, when the universe cannot expand anymore because of the gravity holding it back, it will start closing in and crunching. All that gravity shooting it back makes it go EXTREMELY fast inwards. That amount of gravity pulls the universe into a tiny object, (the tip of a pencil). Then that amount of matter in that tiny object explodes again. Forming a cycle. Basically, the big bang is like a humongous supernova. Also, you may be wondering, then why won't it just form into a black hole? It won't because what is it going to form from. It cannot just pull in empty space.

Answer 4

That is like, if you were to be sucked into a black hole, where would you go, into another dimension? I do not believe that black holes were here first, as God made everything, including the black hole. It is interesting to think about it, but I am convinced that there was a "Master Engineer", who was God. They have come up findings of a black hole in the middle of each galaxy that they have studied, so that may be a pattern of some sort. The energy that holds the galaxy together? Tremendous energy, that if we could create
in a lab for any length of time, we could do some time travel maybe.

I do not know anything about time travel as far as changing events forward or backward, but if the Quantum Theory is true, time is a circle, so we could just jump in and out of time, who knows. If we could create that kind of energy that is in a black hole.

When God said in the Bible that there was nothing before all was created, then I am sure He meant noting at all including black holes.

Answer 5

I think the first poster misunderstood something - material in a singularity is no longer in the form of elements. It's degenerate matter - protons, neutrons, electrons, and their components. No more elements. Actually, it might just be a stew of gluons for all we know - we're not sure. But we are sure that you can't crush that many elements down that far, so it's definitely degenerate matter. The big bang was probably not a black hole - we get those from dead stars. And those have a finite size to them depending on how much mass is there - the precursor to the big bang was much smaller than that. It's a weird state, and one in which our current laws of physics probably did not apply.

Answer 6

Black holes are not necessarily found at the center of the universe. They are found in all sorts of places where there is lots and lots of matter and mass. Before the Big Bang, there was an enormous amount of energy that became matter. Thats as much as I can tell!

Answer 7

The short answer:
We do not know.

A longer answer:
What existed before the Big Bang makes NO difference to the universe we live in. So we have no means to say for sure.

Answer 8

Lets just say this, and it may be in code to you:. Anything you see, or hear of or will find out in this plain of existence was thought of long ago and put into motion.

For there is nothing new, nothing that we here on Earth can find out that was not created before we were and we discovered it. All was created and put into motion by a power, be it energy; thought or a Supreme Being.

This is the fact of eternity and we will follow the path as far as we can understand it. But we will find out all the answers, with more questions along the way.

Answer 9

Outside of the collapse or collision of stars I thought that the Big Bang may have caused black holes? Anyways, this site sorta confirms your thinking.

Answer 10

AT LAST!!! a decent question on Q/A , A VERY INTERESTING QUESTION?? the only possible answer has to be simple and logical . In the beginning their was nothing no time no space, nothing! , not even a dark void , a monster explosion occured ,possibly a series of black holes collapsing or a very dense hydrogen molecule exploding , all time , space and matter came from this , is it a continuing process which happens again and again ,nobody knows, we only know about our present universe.So was there a black hole before , i dont know?