Are we beating our heads against brick walls?

Question

How many times on this forum have we heard, that our problems with hiring illegal immigrants will go away, if the laws are implemented?

Until recently, if a social security number didn't match, an employer would have to get ten no matches before having to do anything about it. Since the immigration/amnesty bill didn't pass, the government is FINALLY trying to crack down on employers by making them report each and every 'no match' social security number. That was supposed to go into effect on Sept. 14th.

Well, guess who stepped in and now has a court order not to implement this law?

You guessed it. The ACLU!

The lawsuit seeks a court order halting implementation of the so-called "no match" rule, which is slated to go into effect Sept. 14. American Civil Liberties Union spokeswoman Stella Richardson said the plaintiffs hope to schedule a hearing before a federal judge in San Francisco as early as Thursday on their request for a temporary restraining order. The Department of Homeland Security rule is one of several administrative immigration enforcement measures announced by the Bush Administration earlier this month after Congress failed to pass an immigration reform law. It requires employers to give workers 90 days to fix problems with social security numbers that don't match information in the Social Security Administration database.

http://newsfeedresearcher.com/data/articles_n35/idn2007.09.01.13.22.51.html#hdng0

How in the world are laws going to work if they’re fought every inch of the way?

It was the unions and ACLU

http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/immigration/entries/2007/08/29/labor_unions_aclu_sue_to_stop.html

Answer 1

This doesn't surprise me. The ACLU has been waiting for any legislation to pop up that stops or curtails the free flow of illegal immigrants. Hazelton Pa, Escondido Ca, anywhere that has shown the nerve to pass an ordinance has been attacked.
Frankly the ACLU is nothing more than the mouthpiece for the New American Slave Trade. You have companies that want the cheap labor, unions who want the bodies and the ACLU which is working to legitimize it.

And to Petey, If you opened your eyes you would have seen several attempts to stop the flow of illegal immigrants into the US prior to the 2006 election. That might be a big IF but people have been fighting this for a while.

Answer 2

No, eventually, the illegal immigration problem will be solved. I noticed that at least one of the posters tried to blame Republicans for NOT doing something sooner, but Democrats have had a lot longer to solve the problem than Republicans. Republicans controlled Congress for 12 years. Before that Democrats had the place pretty much to themselves and didn't do anything because they solicit illegal immigrants to vote for them and give social programs to them for the same purpose.
Republicans are almost as bad on this issue, they were afraid to do anything for fear of losing the tiny fraction of hispanic votes they do get.
Well, our friends in all of this, the reason it finally became an issue to be dealt with? La Raza. If La Raza had tried to stay in the shadows, the closet so to speak, then all those Mexican children attending LA Schools would NOT have flown the American flag below the Mexican flag and upside down. The pictures of that went around the world on the internet and ticked off a bunch of laid back good ole boys. Now, their fire is up and mostly, we have La Raza to thank for it!

Answer 3

Its crazy! Its liberalism at its best. If you can't change the laws keep the laws from being enforced! That's the ACLU motto!

For anyone who thinks the ACLU has no part to play in this, they have formed what they call the "Immigrants Rights Project". The projects aim is to stop the governments enforcement of all the laws currently on the books!

Here is a quote from the ACLU website!
lawyers on the case include..... Jennifer Chang, Mόnica M. Ramírez, and Omar Jadwat of the ACLU Immigrants' Rights Project

Answer 4

Remember what ACLU stands for, American Civil Liberties Union. They will fight for anyone or any group interested in destroying the values and principle this country was founded upon.

There is absolutely no reason why these illegals cannot come into this country legally like every other immigrant from the '40's, '50's and even '60's who came here legally. The illegals come here and are allowed to come here so the democrat party has a voting base, and the ACLU defends the democrat party's voting base almost exclusively.

If you notice most of the legal immigrants vote non-democrat. That really irks the ACLU, so they fight to make it legal for illegals. Go figure.

Answer 5

I think they're really pretty separate issues. Re waterboarding -- some believe that it really does provide vital info that saves American lives. Others believe it's largely a sadistic practice, which results mostly in the victim spewing misinformation. Some have said good intelligence has been gathered via waterboarding. But nobody is sure the same information could not have been collected by other means. Re abortion -- well, it depends on how people define the beginning of human life. So, because they're two separate issues, you'll find pro-life people who are for or against waterboarding, and you'll find pro-choice people who are for or against waterboarding. Me, I'm pro-life, and against waterboarding.

Answer 6

The combination of the ACLU AND San Francisco will produce anything but sanity or logic. You might as well run down to Mexico and post bills on every street corner inviting every Tomas, Ricardo, and Heraldo to come on over and live the high life and enjoy every right of the citizens of the United States.

I am sure the presses are running now printing nice little invites so the San Fransickos can do their good work south of the border.

Answer 7

The ACLU does not understand one simple concept: a society cannot function when everyone has the right to disrupt absolutely anything they don't agree with. Imagine if you had a big dinner party at your home, and "Sally" complains about all the dishes containing meat, because she is a vegetarian.

"Bill" objects to the gold-rimmed wine glasses because gold is sometimes mined by underpaid workers in third world countries.

"Janice" complains that the dinner plates were manufactured by a non eco-friendly company, and demands that her host destroy all the offensive china immediately.

"Ahmed" bitterly denouces his hostess because she is serving wine, which violates the precepts held dear in the Koran. Also, this infidel hostess should be covered from head to toe in a burka, because her exposed calves are an abomination to god.

I could go on and on, but you get the idea. Just like this dinner party could not even be held, a society cannot function when the legitimacy of absolutely everything is constantly challenged.

Enough of this chaos. Laws become a joke when they are fought to such a ridiculous degree.

Answer 8

The ACLU is sickening! They are probably more anti American than any other organization! How is protecting real American citizens and their social security numbers from illegal immigrants a bad thing? What is the ACLU trying to accomplish with this ridiculous lawsuit?

Answer 9

Let's begin with the obvious: Those opposed to undocumented aliens will never rally any one to your cause until you condemn those who take it to extremes. You have stevea8 on here saying to resort to vigilantism, how does that make him different then a radical Islamist? You have others blasting liberals in general, again insulting folks will never change their minds. Don't we all say that moderate Islamic need to condemn those who are radical? Does not the same apply to the right? and even the left? You want me to change my opinion on undocumented workers, then condemn the radicals among you who call for violence or sprout nonsense

Next let's move on to the fact that the Social Security Administration states that 14% of its database is not accurate, in that case there is a very large chance that documented workers and even native born workers could be caught in on the "round-up" would you like the INS to knock on your work place and take you away into our legal system without recourse. Even as some one who supports undocumented rights I would be dismayed at the idea of people being rounded up because of the inadequacies of the Social Security Administration. It is always better for 1000 guilty men to go free then one innocent man to be condemned.

Third you still need to come up with a reasonable economic solution for losing these workers. AND please do not tell me to get people off welfare and out to work, at least in New York State we all ready have, every one on public assistance participates in work-fare and has to work for their check. 12 million people suddenly not working in America is a huge problem for our economy

Fourth; the threat to homeland security has not been shown to come from undocumented aliens. The 9-11 attackers (most of whom were from George Bush's good fried Saudi Arabia) all had student visas or work visas. They were not undocumented.

Answer 10

Who do we blame for the immigration problem, and for the non-effort to enforce these existing laws up until a short month ago? I think that this is something that is not attributable to either Democrats or Republicans - I find them equally at fault for letting this problem get to critical mass before really trying to do anything about it. The ACLU will take a suit if it has merit, and I imagine, though I'm not clear on this, that they are strictly representing the employers being forced to comply within a certain time period. Either way, it's unfortunate in my opinion. I hold an extremely conservative view of illegal immigrants and though I do not appreciate the unions and ACLU making it more difficult for us to get control, I grudgingly accept their right to represent plaintiffs in this case. Hopefully they will lose. We will never get a grip on immigration until we put pressure on employers.