Are you against the animal testing for betterment of human health?

Question

Someone posted about PMU, what they don't realize is those hormones are needed by humans and what are their suggestions for obtaining those instead of making mankind suffer.

Same as artificial hearts, organ implantation and donation, blood transfusions, cancer treatments, brain stem studies, regeneration of nerves, etc

The list is endless, so are you for testing and healing humans?

Or

Are you for non testing and seeing mankind die from things that could of been cured at the expense of animal testing?

Bonslayer, you and I are in agreement.

webkinz such language lol, i thought you were a christian in R/S??

So those that are against, if can put your thoughts into rational thinking and not using language from 5th grade, if you had a disease that could be cured at the expense of animal testing, would you allow yourself to die? Or if your family member etc?? What is your suggestion for animal testing then, just allow humans to die?

Actually yams do not have the same amount of estrogen that PMU does, thats been proven. Also some ppl can't take the synthetic estrogen, so then what happens?

Rat I wish we could too lol

Answer 1

We are the care takers of the planet, given all of its resources to use. That being said it is our responsability to use those resources with wisdom, compasion and with responsability.
We have extemist at both ends, that get so caught up in their ideology that they forget wisdom, lose compasion and forget about responsability.
Personally I believe the use of animals in testing is a good thing. Not only has animal testing improved the quality of life for humans it has improved the quality of animal life. Some great advancments have been made in veterinary medicine while test were being done for human use.
So yes I support animal testing so long as it is done ethically in the kindest way possible, and when the labs step and act with compasion. We as humans do some damn distastful things but the alternative to not doing some of those damn distastful things is much more un pleasant IMO.

Answer 2

I believe many people are alive today due to animal testing. I am a president of a PMU placement group and know the facts concerning the industry. They are not in the barns for 11 months but 5 1/2 months. They summer in nice pastures with the herd and are rebred naturally as if they were in the wild.
The foals have nice lives right up until they are weaned than there lives become disposable.
Wyeth is what everyone should be going after since they stopped all PMU farmers from allowing any group to help find homes for the foals and older PMU mares.
The sales have been slow this year for the farmers and many foals are going to auctions which is scarey and some times a death sentence since the kill buyers are there to buy as many as possible for a certain price. PMU farmers can not sell directly to a feed lot or kill buyer. That's how Wyeth can say the foals do not get slaughter since they have a record of auction or private sales from each farmer.
From what I know Wyeth has enough of this drug stored for 10 years so this industry should revamp it self to only produce well bred off spring that will find homes every September.
The industry used to produce 40,000 babies a year and now it's down to about 6 thousand but that's still to many.
Drug testing is nessasary but not for hormone replacement any longer.

Answer 3

There is so much info out there that is just plain fiction, but because it's reported in the media, it is TRUTH to too many people, who then react in a way that is just plain harmful and not thinking of the possible outcomes. PMU farms get a lot of bad flack. There are good farms out there with mares that get responsible care, but they do not get the notice a bad farm may get. Bad farms should be made to come up to humane standards. Humane standards are the bottom line. If something can not be done humanely, do it to prisoners on death row or in for life. It will reduce crime and have some value. The reason we use animals is legality and liability of doing something potentially harmful to a human. Prisoners have waived those rights, although they currently don't get it and think they need humane treatment, more than the animals do. Huh. We've been given the ability to heal ourselves, we need to ability to learn how to do it compassionately. Mud slinging is not the answer to anything, it is just what it is. And anyone who feels the need to scream foul over every little thing as cruel and inhumane better be naked and eating berries off a bush because the rest is all a product of some cruelty or other, whether to a human or an animal. And I am not sure eating berries is politically correct either, "might be a bunni needs those berries for its chidlrens"...

Answer 4

I am not a particularly religious person, but I believe animals were put on this Earth to serve. [I have been fortunate enough to have been able to make a living working with the animals I love for more than 20 years.]

If the animal "activist" are so against using animals in research and testing, why haven't any of them volunteered to take the place of the animals? That would certainly speed up the time involved in developing cures for diseases that plague humans and cut down on the number of slaughter bound horses.

There are unsavory issues with everything, but the reality is PMU horses are treated well and PMU is necessary for many women. Animals in research facilities receive better health care than most Americans do. When they (the animals)have been used, they are humanely destroyed. Animal testing and research has provided more good than this space allows or I have time to list.

Something is very, very wrong when animal welfare is put above human health. What animal "activist" (aniNazis) think, believe, want, etc. is beyond my comprehension and I believe they do much more harm than good. [That's just my personal opinion that the Constitution of the United States allows me to have.]

Answer 5

First i just wanna say I'm not arguing with you. And again I'm sorry about our last argument, i didn't mean for it to come out that way. Sorry.

You said that PMU hormones are use for humans? I was under the impression that PMU was just use for cosmetics, and make up. Do you have any info on what the hormones are used for how, and they help people like websites or links? Or know your self. This just sparked my curiosity, i didn't know that the PMU actually helped people. I thought it was just for beauty product.

I know some people who are realy big into saveing the foals, and stopping it's use. They don't saying about it helping people. So I am just courious.

Answer 6

First of all, I wish people that bashed PMU farms would at least get their facts straight. I am not in a rush to have my mares at a PMU farm, but it is not the living hell that many people seem to think. Tour one and you will see. You have had several comments that PMU spend 11 months in stalls, that is not true. The mare's urine is of no use when she is first pregant and at the very end of her gestation, and also when she is nursing her foal. So they are in average stalls for just over 6 months, which is plenty long enough as it is. Also, they are not deprived water or food. It is true they don't want the urine too "watery" but there very economics depend on the mare's remaining healthy and sound. A colicy, sick mare is of no use to a PMU farm, so they try to maintain their health, if not for sheer kindness then out of their necessity. And horses in tie stalls in their situation probably are not living an ideal life, but I'm not so certain their lives are any worse than the average show horse who lives in a box stall without other horse contact for huge periods of time. PMU horses interact and see other horses all the time and tend to have less vices than horses in box stalls.
Now, to testing of animals for health purposes.
In my opinion, the majority of times we do NOT need to test animals. Many animal experiments are done countless times, even though scientists know the results, just to teach people. I believe in those cases there could be other options. We have the thecnology to film, video, etc many experiments and let students learn that way, and not from the testing of live animals. Secondly, much testing is done for cosmetic purposes, this is unnecessary and I do not support rabbits, etc having their eyes flushed with makeup to determine the results. I believe this has greatly diminished, though. Most shampoo and make-up bottles say "Not tested on animals". There are times when animal testing is necessary when it comes to saving people's lives. I can think of the development of insulin and other lifesaving techniques. In this case I think it is ethical, but there must be huge standards in place and the animals must be afforded the best living conditions and care that can be provided, and they must have as least amount of discomfort as possible.
These are really hard questions - almost like the question they asked us in social studies when I was in high school. Six people in a life raft, which one do you kick off to die? I am not very comfortable playing God and making those choices. And sometimes with animal testing it feels the same way.
To those of you who are so angry and veniment against any sort of animal testing, I do hope you are 100% vegetarian and wear and use no leather or animal products. I fail to see the difference in raising animals for meat, and using them for health care experiments. Do you?
If only I had all the answers on this one. What will God say when He asks us how we cared for the people and animals under our care?

Answer 7

I'm as guilty as the next person, I know my make-up and shampoo has probably been tested on animals but I still use them. I think PMU though is a cheaper alternative for the pharmaceutical companies to manufacture hormones and with their amazing financial resources, I think they could try harder to find an alternative. I also have no problem cutting off post menopausal women with hot flushes access to pmu estrogen, women have always managed before without it and I wouldn't take it myself. I'd rather stay lit up like a Christmas Tree!
While I hate to admit it though, I know that animal testing needs to be done and if something would save my son's life in lieu of an animal, then yes I'd accept the treatment/drug. I'd put my child's life before anything, simple as that. I actually went to school with a couple of girls that were into the Animal Liberation Front in England and one Christmas, they stole mercury thermometers from a store and then broke them and poured mercury onto the frozen turkeys in a supermarket. They were protesting the lost lives of the frozen turkeys - totally out there nut jobs! They were arrested and charged.

Answer 8

I am at a crossroads on this one. So many animals are harmed in the testing and that should not be allowed, many more tested on for insane reasons that do not make a bit of difference to mankind or other "kind".

Now, the things that can be found are amazing and so many things have saved lives from animal testing. I guess my stand is if the animal can live a "natural" enviroment, to an extent, horses in paddocks, cows in paddocks... you can try to understand what I'm saying on that, I know that they can't be truly in a natural enviroment but one of which doesn't harm the mental well being of the animal either. And can be tested on, without it being inhumane to the animal, I'm for it. If that cannot be accomplished for the testing, well, why would any of us allow inhumane treatment to animals. But, who am I say to what is and isn't humane.... I don't know who makes those decisions but I hope they can sleap at night with the choices they make!

Answer 9

Well I don't particularly like it but I feel that it is necessary. I think that there should be very strict regulations to make sure that the animals are not abused. I live near UF and hear horror stories about testing methods used there. All I can do is pray that it's not true. But like someone above me said if you disagree with animal testing take a look in your closet. I bet there is some leather somewhere. Also how about your medicine cabinet??? You may already be benefiting from animal testing. I hope everyone can look at this from both sides....

Answer 10

I am against lazy tactics for the care and comfort of animals used for this type of experimentation, but God gave us dominion over the animals, not to misuse them, but to benefit from them. I love my horse more than I ever thought I could love an animal, and I have loved many. If I thought the life of my horse would save one human life, I pray I would have the moral fiber to give graciously, and grieve quietly. I am against the animals being used for make-up, and other cosmetic related items. Spend a little more time and money to determine if the products are safe, and leave the animals out of it.

Edit: iga k, you sound like a real humanitarian. I pray you never have to eat your words at the hospital bed of your child or other loved one. My horses are given the best of care and are loved, but to put any animal before the life of a human created in the image of God, is ignorance of the most elementary of civilized thinking.