Hey Libs..Are you afraid America just might win in Iraq? Why wont you admit the surge is working?

Question

Here are a few links - credible sources - for you to try and counter. Good luck traitors.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22337285-601,00.html

http://www.nypost.com/seven/03202007/postopinion/opedcolumnists/why_its_working_____opedcolumnists_gordon_cucullu.htm?page=0
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,258381,00.html

http://www.progressiveu.org/101752-the-surge-is-working-in-iraq-what-say-you-dems


Not that you people care about the facts or anything, but I thought you might enjoy reading some truth. Instead of your tipical liberal propaganda.

Answer 1

I asked a question to Libs moons ago almost exactly like this, but it was "Do you want the Soldiers to win in Iraq?" I got about 15 answers, 20% by Republicans supporting the Troops, and the other 80% by Liberals. Only one Liberal said Yes, I love my country, and want us to win. I was stunned that every other Liberal said no! OMG, I am still stunned.
This led me to believe (along with their BS conspiracy theories) that a Liberal will say, and do anything, disbelieve any truth, even if God Himself told them the truth, just to get power in the government, control of the USA, even if they tear America apart to achieve their goal.

Answer 2

Mr President,

It's nice to see you are spending your long weekend online. I hope you hang out for a while and read about what has been going on in our country.

Check out youtube while you're here, there is a lot of funny stuff up there and I'm sure you could use a laugh. Though, your post above is pretty funny, in a very sad sort of way.

Anyway, good luck with the surge. We couldn't stop you from doing it, but we liberals really, honestly would prefer that something you did would work out. We love our country, and it hasn't been easy these past 7 years.

Keep reading, some important issues need your attention.

- A liberal American patriot.

Answer 3

do you realize you counter 'liberal propaganda' with 'conservative propaganda?' how is that 'the truth' when both are equally biased?

I don't think the surge is working. 3 out of 18. That's an F.

Anyway, even if Iraq didn't win, it wouldn't make why we started the war right now would it?

Answer 4

The Surge will fail because, from the start, the whole thing was doomed to failure. Every non-partisan Middle East expert in the world predicted that the most likely outcome of invading Iraq would be a civil war and regional destabilization. Actually, anyone with the slightest real knowledge of the region knew this to be true.

It was a stupid idea conceived by egomaniacal nitwits and executed by the biggest Dufus to ever occupy the White House. If Bush had just listened to his real father instead of the imaginary one he hears in his head we would not be in this mess.

In his 1998 book, ‘A World Transformed’, the President’s own father explained why invading Iraq and removing Saddam from power would:

1. result in America becoming stuck in a no-win Vietnam-like quagmire;

2. result in America losing its friends and allies;

3. result in America losing its standing in the world and its ability to lead and influence international political events;

4. result in jeopardizing America’s own interests in the Middle East, undoing decades of intense effort to put ourselves in a position to be politically effective in the region;

5. result in increased hardship for both those who live in the Middle East and America’s own citizens; and

6. further destabilize the already volatile region with the possibility of causing regional (or greater) armed conflict.

Colin Powell (then Secretary of State) told Dubya, “If you break it [Iraq], then you own it”.
The first Gulf War commander "Stormin" Norman Schwarzkopf knew it, saying that if America invaded Iraq it would be like a, “dinosaur in a tar pit”. Hell, even evil Dick Cheney had said it would become a quagmire.

Conservatives rag on Democrats for not having a plan (which is true, they don’t) to hide the fact that they also do not have – and never have had – a plan either. The fact is that there is no ‘plan’ that produces a single positive for America. We are going to leave; the only question is when. Politically, and in terms of Iraq’s future, leaving tomorrow or next year is no different that if we had left yesterday or last year.

Well, there is the difference of the numbers of wounded and dead; the families destroyed; and the further loss of America’s standing in the world by staying. At least that is the conclusion reached in recent reports by the US Department of State and a consensus of America’s 16 Intelligence Agencies. But what do they know, huh? Maybe the Bush strategy of endlessly screwing ourselves will ultimately bring the terrorists to their knees – in laughter, anyway.

Answer 5

The surge is working but on the political front it isn't looking hopeful. If we can improve things on the ground long enough we might have a shot at fixing the political situation. I want us to win and I believe we are, but if the government doesn't start working things might not improve enough to win.

Answer 6

It's interesting how Patreaus can make those claims -- they aren't backed up by the statistics coming from any independent reporters, or even from the Government Accountability Office (GOA) in the US govt.

For example, how can he claim that he's doubled the seizures of weapons caches when the US has LOST over 200,000 weapons (at least two for every insurgent that is currently reported as being over there)? So, how can we be taking weapons away from them, if the number of weapons they are taking from us is much higher?

As far as his claim of a "75 per cent reduction in religious and ethnic killings since last year" -- that's just absolutely incorrect -- unless he's making up new definitions of words. US casualties are higher than any point last year, Iraqi civilian casualties are higher than any point last year -- and these are reports coming from other US generals and from the Pentagon.

But then again, by his own words, he's measuring only "ethnic- and religious-related deaths", which means he's not counting any deaths that are caused by other internal conflict, or other forms of civil war violence related to power struggles between different groups that aren't purely ethnic or religious
based.

Sure, Petraeus can say "the surge is working" -- but given that the defined goal was to create a stable Baghdad and allow the Iraqi parliament to implement specific reforms -- those goals have failed, or at the very least are nowhere close to being completed.

So, "working" must have been redefined to mean "not causing many more problems than we already had".

Answer 7

All these above nets, are a bunch of losing Republicans. The reason we say the surge is not working is simply because it isn't . How can anyone say it's working when more people are being killed each day. We will in 2008 bring our troops home where they belong and should have never been sent to Iraq to start with , just a no brain crazy President.

Answer 8

We're relying on five years worth of evidence to the contrary. You're relying on three partisan news orginizations, one god-only-knows-what from Australia and the word of man whose job depends on success in Iraq. I'll believe it when I hear consensus from a little more than that. Good luck sheep.

Answer 9

What would it mean to win there? We've destroyed their infrastructure - no water in baghdad this summer, no electricity in most of the country. 600,000 innocent people are dead there, almost all of the intelligentsia has fled.

Our own govt admits the war has created more terrorists, we all know it's caused great hatred against us.

We've tortured innocent people to death there (according, again to our own military), we've somehow lost 12 billion dollars there, our own military members are selling american weapons to god knows who, our civil liberties are under attack at home, and the iraqi govt is collapsing.

What would it mean to win? What would it mean for the search to work?

Answer without your conservative propaganda.

Answer 10

Sigh, another hate monger. If you really wanted an intelligent debate or conversation you would not taunt people. I shouldn't have even typed on here, it makes me as low as you are.