our troops are just as bad as nazis.?

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For those of you who don't support the war but "support the troops". How can you say that? Isn't that the same as saying "I don't support hitler but I support the nazi soldiers"? They chose to be there, we have an all volunteer army. And if they really truly had some moral objection to killing woman and children they would simply not go. The common qliche of " the just do what they are told" . Is just away of no holding them responsible or accountable for what they are doing.

Answer 1

Lets ask me friends!

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you are just a babbling liberal who think your argument has been made because you put Nazi and our troops in a sentence together. You are a racist NAZI when you defile the blood of 7 million Jews by likening their suffering to a law enforcement action in a country over run by terrorists




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All opposition people are Nazis Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi If I say it Enough times surely someone will start thinking it is true. Only a true Liberal is not a Nazi. I don't car about people who were destroyed by the third Reich. I am a liberal i like Killings, mass gassing of men, women and children, brutalities, cruelties, tortures, atrocities, medical experiments - inhuman acts were an everyday occurrence during the Nazi genocide.

SS men left the most horrifying testimonies of the horrors of the Holocaust during World War 2. They were Hitler's most ruthless henchmen, men often seen as the very personifications of evil.

These masters of death were found to be quite psychologically normal. They were men of fine standing, husbands who morning and night kissed their wives, fathers who tucked their children into bed.

In 1933 approximately nine million Jews lived in the countries of Europe that would be occupied by Germany during the war. By 1945 two out of every three European Jews had been killed by the SS Men. The Holocaust was the systematic annihilation of six million Jews.

1.5 million children were murdered during World War 2. This figure includes more than 1.2 million Jewish children, tens of thousands of Gypsy children and thousands of handicapped children.
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Answer 2

No, it's not the same.

First, most German soldiers weren't Nazis. They were front-line troops or support troops fighting against the armies of other nations -- very different than the Nazi SS.

Second, supporting the troops means respecting their commitment to their job, and respecting that they are doing their best to follow the lawful orders they were given.

That has nothing to do with whether you think those orders are intelligent or wise -- just because they are lawful orders doesn't make them any less stupid or counter-productive.

The troops -- collectively -- are acting in a manner based on self-defense, within the bounds of lawful orders for an occupation that is authorized by law -- and women or children are not directly targetted unless they are a direct threat -- hence the self-defense provisions.

However, yes, there are some individuals who cross the line -- and those individuals are tried in a court of law to determine if they actions are criminal, or honest mistakes -- which is as it should be. Again, that has nothing to do with the general commitment to service, or with the reasons the troops are there in the first place.

Answer 3

Our troops are not nearly as bad as Nazis. But there are abuses in every war--women being raped, innocent people getting shot, valuables stolen, prisoners mistreated. The Nazis raised this to a fine art. We don't see in this war, for instance, a hundred random people pulled out of homes, made to dig their own grave in the town square, then shot, in retaliation for the killing of one American soldier.

Most people don't get into the service to kill women and children, but to defend our country. Yes, I know, if they studied history they'd realize that the actual task of defending America is seldom necessary and that we usually use our military for purposes of imperialism. But the idea of defense is noble anyway. I don't think most of them ever really expected to be in a war. Especially the Nat. Guard units and reserve units.

'Support the troops' was a slogan from the -first- Gulf War. The bumper-sticker 'We Support the Troops' was a code for
'We support the war.' And of course conservatives have always bashed pacifists and anti-war people as 'unpatriotic', so charging that they somehow aren't supporting the troops is just natural.

Answer 4

Unfortunately the question you prepose is an extremley valid and troubling question.

I suppose our nations' outpouring of support for our troops is a modern day version of the supporting your president in times of war cliche that came out of ww's I and II.

If you don't support the war how can you support the troops? Well that's the paradox isn't it. I mean do you really support what the Abu Ghraib crowd did. I doubt it. Do you really get all warm and fuzzy when you hear about an Iraqi woman being raped by American soldiers? Probably not! I mean these were just the incidents reported by the media over here. I am sure that there are other horrible stories, but at the same time I am sure that there are some heartwarming stories as well (soldiers befriending young Iraqi children, or befriending their fellow Iraqi police officers, stories of sacrifice and bravery). Not all of our soldier are over there torturing Iraqi prisoners and civilians. And one thing to keep in mind is that voluntary recruitment has plummeted since 2003. The majority of the people serving in Iraq are probably trying to finish there term in the military and get out. There are those that totally believe what they are doing is just and is in the name of freedom, but there does seem to be a degree of disillusionment within our own military.

These soldiers, whether we believe it or not, believe they are in Iraq fighting for our freedom. Obviously there have been some "bad apples," but for the most part I think these soldiers are fighting for us.

So whether or not you agree with Bush (i happen to disagree strongly) these soldiers are doing what they were trained to do and they believe they are doing it to protect our freedoms. So while I do not support the president, I support the troops that give life and limb so that we don't have to. They are in Iraq with armored vehicles that lack sufficient armor. They are in need of personal armor to keep themselves safe. By equipping our troops with better armor and gear we can keep them alive. While terrorists are shooting at our troops from every direction possible, wouldn't you want them to at least be wearing sufficient armor? Let support them by giving them the proper tools to survive. And the best support we can give them is to bring them home to their loved ones alive and soon!! What better support is there to give?

Answer 5

Finally some one iz (is) making my point of view on yahoo. By saying you support the troops and not the administration iz saying it wuz (was) wrong to have had the Numburg trials in Nazi Germany after the war. The trial wuz not about Adolf Hitler but the troops of his regime.

Answer 6

that is disgusting while each experience of the present circumstances is in comparison with the Nazis. working example the Germans had no determination in serving. in the event that they tried to refuse then a bad destiny awaited them. on the different hand the present defense force is a volunteer rigidity, subsequently thoroughly diverse from the Nazi variety. As for genocide while have you ever heard of the US military in Iraq prepare this? It has not. Even the undesirable apples are stopped beforehand too plenty harm is achieved. yet another ingredient. conflict is legalized killing, not homicide. homicide is the unlawful tacking of a life. My 2 Cents.

Answer 7

And to think a conservative commentator was recently complaining that our troops have their hands tied by the rules of engagement they must follow (in an effort to avoid killing noncombatants). Maybe the fact that Sunnis have switched sides to fight against al qadea shows that most US troops are following the rules of engagement, and the al qadea forces are the ones like nazis.

It is a shame our country hasn't developed effective nonlethal weapons so that even fewer people would think of our forces the way many people thought of nazi troops. It would be harder for al qadea to recruit people who want to avenge the deaths of people who have been killed by our weapons if our weapons didn't kill.

Until effective nonlethal weapons are developed our forces will continue to risk killing innocent people and endure the kind of smear you aim at them.

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Answer 8

Of course they are not. A great many of our soldiers enlisted before GW Bush even *became* president. Since Nuremberg (as a historian of the Nazis, I'm sure you've heard of it?) the argument of "only doing what they're told" has had limits, and military members who commit heinous crimes are being tried for those crimes, like the current Marine.

But the majority of US soldiers are fighting to protect our nation AND trying to protect innocent Iraqi citizens as best they can.

Answer 9

If you read much about the Hitler years, you'll learn of massive propaganda used against the people, as was used against our people.

I do agree our troops had an obligation, established in Nuremberg, to refuse Bush's illegal orders. No doubt about it. I do hold them responsible. If you check youtube for the videos some of our troops are submitting, you will be sickened by their callous treatment of Iraqis. (I hope you will be sickened.)

Nonetheless, Bush led a massive brainwashing and propaganda campaign that had nearly 90% of the people in this country supporting him and his war plans (not me, not for one minute, not ever.) The troops aren't completely accountable because of the propaganda and because they are not really free in this country to exercise their conscience. The penalties right now are very severe - check out what's happened to whistleblowers reporting on the theft of US property in Iraq by Americans who resell it to God knows who is using it back against their own comrades.... The traitors who sold this stuff are sitting pretty and the guys who blew the whistle are thrown into solitary and tortured,losing everything.

Few Germans stood up. I'd say a damn sight more Americans are standing up.

Answer 10

It is extremely contradictory in nature isn't it? Our troops need to know we believe in them and what they are doing. We have become too selfish as a whole to care about other people. It's very sad! The part about killing innocents though, I have to disagree with you. The last I heard, from personal accounts, our troops are helping women and children. Building new schools, hospitals and so much more that the liberal media chooses to ignore.

Answer 11

Nazis ? What do you know about Nazi Germany ? Best do more research ! I was there and what our troops are doing is NOTHING in comparison as to what Adolf and company did in WW II !