Is this what socialists really do?

Question

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5094395.html

Answer 1

No-that's what the communist dictatorship of China does. It has no relationship to socialism, which is political socio-economic system directed to the distribution of wealth. While some persons may have some socialist ideas, the government of China is more of a dictatorship than a socialist state. China is capitialistic when it suits their needs, as in Hong Kong.

Answer 2

Wow, They have a lot of guts to stand up against what is happening to them. Imagine a lawyer here being thrown in jail for making a case? I hope the Chinese people unite against the horrible things that have been done to them. One can only hope with more capitalism and money the citizens will not stand for it much longer.
For a long time I thought about adopting a little girl from China as so many of them are killed or sent to orphanages. I have three children of my own so the expense would be difficult.

Answer 3

No. That's what the Chinese government did. One government can never speak for all forms of government that it's "a part" of. Just like America can't speak for all capitalism because our capitalism is different than other country's and what our government does isn't dependant on our economic system but our system of election and power within the government which is still again always unusual.

So basically you're just demonizing. Maybe you don't truly understand how blame works? The Chinese government is disgusting, as we can see in this case. And socialism has yet to prove, as a full economic system, at all useful. But I wouldn't go around pretending that I know how all socialist governments in the history of the universe and those who support it act based off of one incident in China.

Answer 4

Short answer - no.

Long answer:

To what extent China is a socialist country is debatable. It was based on Stalinism - control from the top down, rather than control by ordinary people with the minimum of bureaucracy. Now China is rapidly becoming capitalist and is being used as a source of cheap labour to prop up the American economy.

Instead of the top down control of Stalinism, people could be organised into soviets, a Russian word which just means "committee", and decide themselves how to run their workplaces. Socialism should not dictate to ordinary people how they run their lives. We stand for a woman's right to have an abortion, or not, as she chooses.


This is from a supporter of Ralph Nader, whom Socialist Alternative supported in the last presidential elections:

Bush is obviously pro-life. Gore, on the other hand, likes to pose as an ally of women who supports a woman's right to choose. However, Gore's senate voting record says otherwise: he has 27 pro-life votes and 5 pro-choice votes. This is what prompted the New York Times to remark, "Mr. Gore has compiled a more-than-respectable record with the National Right to Life Committee in the House." So Gore is plainly not a pro-choice candidate.

In addition, one must remember how a woman's right to choose was won in the first place. Was a democrat, an ally of women, sitting in office? Was it handed down from on high?

No. HELL NO! Nixon, the arch right-winger who thought the Democratic Party was getting orders from Hanoi (that's why he ordered the Watergate break in), was sitting as President. He was far from being a pro-choice President, yet he picked judges who later bit the hand that fed them.

So how did women win the right to choose?

They fought for it! The Supreme Court denied women the right to choose consistently for over 100 years! What changed the Court's mind? There was a movement on the ground, demanding abortion rights. That is the only way women won the right to choose, and that's the only way to keep it.

The Supreme Court ruling in Brown v. Board of Education struck down the Jim Crowe segregation laws, in the context of a growing Civil Rights movement. The Supreme Court ruled in Roe v. Wade that women had the right to choose, in the context of a movement for women's liberation. In 1972, the Supreme Court outlawed the death penalty on the grounds that it was racist, in the context of the Black Power movement. When the movement subsided, the Court reversed its decision, and the death penalty was reinstated.

Answer 5

Yes this is what it is like. The goverment tells you what you can do and what you can't do. We are becoming a socialist state even as we speak. This goverment was founded on the majority rules system. Not any more. We are a country that caters to the minority. There are so many laws on our books for the minority, that the majority of the people are forgotten about. It all comes down to the fact that we don't care who we vote for. We don't care what they believe or what kind of morals they have. We have become a nation of people that just don't care!

Answer 6

I really do wonder where most of you get your ideas about socialism from. As a socialist, I can tell you it has nothing to do with mind control. It has nothing to do with oppressing majorities in the name of minorities. It has nothing to do with appropriating your property. It is not about mind-numbing conformism.

Do you think anyone in their right mind would seriously argue for these things?

Well you do find them - big business is positively for them. Go to any town in Britain - local diversity has given way to a monochrome blur of the same high street stores, the same supermarkets, the same chains of coffee shops and fast food outlets. The very genes that make up your body are being rapidly patented by biotech multinationals. In my city people's houses are being compulsory purchased at beneath market rates, so their houses can make way for luxury flats. The vast majority have to slave away to makes ends meet, while the rich minority grows fat from paying us less than the value of our labour. Increasingly the US and UK are criminalising dissent with the erosion of civil liberties and the extension of petty harassment, detention without trial, and monitoring of dissident groups. Meanwhile the corporate media crowds out off-message opinions and demonises critics of their system.

That's the ugly face of capitalism, of the beloved freedoms you sanctimoniously claim to uphold. If you are properly serious about freedom, about liberty, you should take a proper look at socialist ideas, and especially those standing in the anti-Stalinist Marxist tradition. Because it is only there you'll find a coherent alternative to this authoritarian market madness.

Answer 7

This woman is telling the truth. Have you seen any of the poor baby girls in all those orphanages in China? Since China is over-populated, and married couples allowed only one baby, they have been putting their baby girls into these orphanages, until they have a son. Many an American has been adopting these baby girls, since China has had this law, but we can't adopt them ALL! Now the orphanages are over-crowded.
I think the Chinese people are so bored, due to their communist government allowing them nothing, that sex is their only entertainment.
They're not allowed to be more than what their government gives them. They're allowed to be slaves to their country, but never to have a better life than what they were born with.
Here in America, though, as sad as it is, Americans, the majority being Liberal, which is the same as Socialist, and Communist, kill their babies without force. It's called abortion.

Answer 8

Yes they are.

As a woman, see what you have to look forward to if the socialist like Clinton get into office.

Remember, it starts with the little things and then gets worse very quickly. Here it started with Politically Correct speak in the '70's. And look where we are today.

We need to stop socialist here and now!

Answer 9

China capitalist and has been for years, you stupid twats. But I suppose their nothing capitalist about Mc Donald's stores, mass free market exports, and busting unions.

Answer 10

YES!
Just think,that's universal health care at work.
Have too many tax deductions and you get an unwanted abortion.