"One State Under God" Will Remain in Texas Pledge - Do you agree that it should?

Question

Why or why not?

fishshogun – not in this case. It is the TEXAS pledge (hence the word Texas in the question)

http://www.woai.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=239a9087-4227-4c88-b1aa-97b962d41de3&rss=68

Sorry fish - the above comment is to: lonepinesusan

cantcu – and Spain stole central America from the resident Indians right? And those Indians fought over territory back and forth before that. So what’s your point?

Cantcu - Furthermore the commandment "thou shall not kill" (Exodus 20:13; Deuteronomy 5:17), is better understood to mean "you shall not murder," most modern translations of the Bible rendered it this way. According to the Bible not all killing, the taking of a life, is murder. Murder is the unlawfully taking of human life. The command not to murder applies to human beings, not to killing animals or plant life for food. God gave animals to mankind for his use (Genesis 1:26-30; 9:1-4). But, this does not mean that humans have the right mistreat animals and the environment (Genesis 2:15; Deuteronomy 22:6-7; 25:4; Proverbs 12:10). Under the Old Covenant God allowed the Israelites to kill other humans under very special circumstances such as punishment for certain sins, for example, murder (Exodus 21:12-14, Leviticus 24:17, 21) and adultery (Leviticus 20:10, Deuteronomy 22:22-24). God also allowed the Israelites to engage in warfare and even gave them instructions about waging war...

...(Deuteronomy 20:1-20). God also recognized that humans might accidentally kill each other, and he made provisions for this (Numbers 35:9-34; Deuteronomy 19:1-13).

Answer 1

Yes. The United States Declaration of Independence explains the role of God in our system of governance. "....endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights...". Our system is unique in the world. When our country was established all other countries had one basic thing in common. Power to govern came from God and went to the monarch or whatever the leader was called. He would dole out some of that power to those he selected to enforce his will.

Here, power to govern still comes from God but goes directly to each and every individual American Citizen. We, in turn, lend that power, in measured quantities and for limited times, to those who seek to lead. The most important part of this system is that these individual rights come from God not from any particular government or from any man. They cannot, therefore be taken away by any government or by any man.

This country, while forbidding any mandated state endorsed organized religion, does, by it's very nature, require a belief in a Creator who provides us with the moral absolutes that cannot be changed or revoked.

You cannot be a true American without accepting the existence of a Creator. Therefore, the Texas Pledge is obviously correct.

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Answer 2

This is one of those things I hope never makes it to a court.

The US Pledge of Allegiance is pretty illegal, Constitutionally speaking, since we're not supposed to make religious beliefs a part of the government, and schools are definitely part of the government. Just because it's a state or a local municipality making the pledge doesn't make it any less Constitutional.

Remember, in the US Pledge, Under God was added in during the 50's so that we'd be able to seperate ourselves from those Godless heathens in the Soviet Union. Yet another example of the National Security Act of 1947 trampling on the Constitution and the First Amendment, but no one seemed to mind much.

At least you must realize the truth that we do not live in a Christian nation. We live in a nation who happens to have a majority of the population ascribing themselves to the Christian faith. There *is* a difference.

If you doubt it, you may read the statements of our founders and other important politicians of the US and see what they thought about it. Most of them, when not using Christianity as a political tool (as Alexander Hamilton did against Jefferson with his Christian Constitutional Societies), found little good in specific religious sects in general. All, you will note, probably had a lot of good to say about the concept of religious faith, but they certainly didn't say which faith.

Church and State must remain seperate. All you need do is look at the radical Islamic states to know this is just not a good idea. Or if you don't want to look there, try somewhere like Northern Ireland.

When politicians want to make laws assuring your continued allegience to the God of their choosing, you've lost the most fundamental right of all: the right to choose your own beliefs.

Answer 3

I personally don't think that it should -- it assumes (and promotes) the existence of a single monotheistic God, which is a direct assertion that one religious believe is more valid than any other.

For those who say that it should be allowed, I wonder how they'd feel if the motto said "Under Goddess", or "Under all the Gods" or "Under Allah" or "Under Buddha" -- that's just a different religious framework being asserted.

So, if it's valid to assert one religion as more valid than any other, why should it which religion is being asserted? And if it does matter, then it's a constitutional violation on its face.

Answer 4

I'm not sure when in this country that it became the wrong thing to believe in god, it doesn't matter who's god the pledge it is talking about. I have nothing against your god, my god, that persons god or who ever god it is, it is your god. So people just need to get over the god question, I thought the people that came to this country, came here for the freedom of religion.

Answer 5

No. It shouldn't. What about seperation of church and state.

"God" Is just a theory. There is no evidence. It's as believable as scientology beliefs it's just been around longer.

There are many many religions in the world and basically it's just a matter of where you were born and what you were told as a child.

If americans were born in Iraq they would be praying to Allah so the whole thing is really silly and religion should not be in schools and "in god we trust" should be taken off of money.

Answer 6

It doesn't matter to me.

You stole Texas from Mexico, so you can pledge all you want. However that doesn't mean He really cares at all about your state!

I am sure he is real happy that you have committed more executions than all other states combined!

Answer 7

Yeah, sure. It sounds good.

Better than "One state under a clod", like when GWB was Gov of Texas.

Answer 8

I don't think the words should be changed or removed in any kind of pledge. Those words were written for a reason and should not be messed with.

Answer 9

Why does it matter what we all think?

Texas, and all of it's products (I'm lookin' at you, Bush and Gonzalez!) do whatever the hell they want anyway.

Answer 10

Doesn't bother me a bit. And I'm an Atheist.

And to reiterate what the guy above me wrote: Anything that pisses off the ACLU., I'm for.