The pay gap is a lie here is why (wow I made a rhyme).?

Question

Names are never mentioned. If they would ACTUALLY collect data to determine weather or not there is a paygap they would have the names of the corporations which pay women less and Boi would they make an ear defeaning shriekfest harping fuzz about it. So probably there is no data to back up the paygap myth and there is no paygap.
Am I wrong, do we actually have the names of some corporations who engage in pay discrimintion or a few examples ?

No I dont because Iam a mean jackass ruining everyone day.

Carrie those are lawsuits still in progress it is yet to determine weather or not they did discriminate. What we know for sure is that a couple of lawyers are going to make a truckload of money regardless of the outcome. You Americans just love to stuff your hard earned money in their pockets dontya ;)

And what do you mean not eniterly to discrimination. So it isnt aright if there is a paygap NOT due to discrimination ? What are you ? A commie ?

Wow Anise if you dont work you dont get payed ?
Call the marines.

Iam sorry ANise how can you even call it a wagegap if a woman earns less because she is NOT WORKING.
There is a wagegap between working and unemployed people who stay home to raise their children, wow are you for real ?

fizzy if you think that helps you then were both happy ^^

Answer 1

I appreciate the fact that Anise and Carrie acknowledge that the "wage gap" is not primarily due to outright discrimination.

However, it is also true that NOW and other feminist organizations propagandize this issue and intentionally hide the facts so as to paint the "gap" as entirely due to discrimination. This kind of dishonest behavior really damages their credibility.

EDIT:

Anise' third source is interesting. However, it would be interesting to interview the respondents rather than just have the raw data.

Were the respondents assessments totally unfounded? Did they perceive that the women were more emotional than the men and therefore less capable of making clear decisions when angry? Was that based on their own life experience?

People have life experience that they draw on. For example, what if they asked both to cry?

Would the reaction be the same to a man who cries at work as a woman who cries at work? Would people be more likely to think that he was more emotionally unstable that her?

These reactions may seem to be discriminatory, but they may not be unfounded.

Answer 2

I was able to quickly check court records for individual cases of alleged sex discrimination, some of which involve wage discrimination. See 1st source link below.

Also, you are right that we now understand much more about the wage gap--for example, if you took a couple years off to raise kids or you work in a lower-paying industry in general, it can be justified.

But there ARE still questions that are worth asking about pay and the workplace. Why, for example, did a "recent Carnegie Mellon study found that female job applicants who tried to negotiate a higher salary were less likely to be hired by male managers, while male applicants were not." See 2nd cited source, which warns against oversimplifying the wage gap conversation.

The 3rd cited source demonstrates how women are punished salary-wise for the same behaviors that lead to advancement in men.

It's FAR more intricate than "women get paid less than a man for the exact same job." That often isn't true. But there are sex-based forces at work which continue to merit careful attention. Anyone with a conscience, male or female, should take the time to understand them.

EDIT: Wow, you are even going to be snide to a woman who is agreeing with you? There was a time that the wage gap looked really huge, and then it was studied, and we now know more. This is called "progress." But the conversation is not over. More importantly, you offer a great example of the type that just wants to fight--in the face of logic, research and rationality. You're in for a very frustrating lifetime. Watch your blood pressure and take lots of Vitamin B!

EDIT 2: Steve is absolutely right that the issue has been propagandized. Politicians and the people that deal with politicians like to deal in quick quips faaaar too much and as a result, they oversimplify to the degree of lying. Everyone is in a game of "gotcha" with their political opponents--just say "cut and run" or "flipflopper" and you've done plenty of damage without having to be articulate enough to make a specific critique. It does not help the debate.

EDIT 3 ("the final edit..."). Yes I am for real. It was called the wage gap and so I call it the wage gap, as you call it the pay gap in the same phrase that you call it a lie. The problem was that wages used to be measured across industries without enough specific considerations. From 10,000 feet, the trends looked very damning. I don't know how else to put it, you are right. I am telling you I agree with you. The statistics were misleading, and when you pay a woman less who has worked less it is of course justified. I can't be any more clear. We didn't know that's what we were looking at because it had not been studied carefully. I notice you are not addressing the articles I reference which actually do reveal discrimination. Your anger is your problem, and goodbye.

Answer 3

Hey, it's you again! I just wanted to thank you for furthering the women's movement every time you take to a computer keyboard and type your increasingly more desperate rants to convince everyone that women have never had anything to complain about. Any man reading this will surely treat the women in his life with a bit more respect in order to avoid sounding like you, so thank you! Keep fighting the good fight, my friend.

Answer 4

No one says the pay gap is entirely due to discrimination.

But for your reference, here are some examples of companies that DID discriminate.

http://www.walmartclass.com/public_home.html
http://genderclassactionagainstcostco.com/costco94.pl
http://www.genderlawsuitagainstsmithbarney.com/
http://www.bbdiscrimination.com/websys94.pl
http://www.bizjournals.com/wichita/stories/2006/02/27/daily11.html
http://www.hqeducation.com/news/career-news/morgan-stanley-settles-sex-discrimination-lawsuit.php
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/31/AR2006073101122.html

Answer 5

Hey, people like excuses for their own shortcomings... quit trying to shatter them.