Currently, "special ed" kids (ADHD psychos and young criminals) study in the mainstream schools disrupting discipline and downgrading SAT scores.
Should they be assigned to special schools with adequate curriculum and discipline enforcement, just like 2 types of Soviet schools:
- "special ed" for imbeciles
- juvenile labor camps for young criminals.
2007-08-28 04:49:23 · 15 answers · asked by Anonymous in Politics & Government ➔ Politics
You see, one former juvenile criminal, Victor Yanukovych, became a PM of Ukraine.
That's the legacy of Soviet correctional system.
2007-08-28 04:51:00 · update #1
I don't mention kids with real disabilities. They should receive necessary aid.
2007-08-28 04:54:58 · update #2
Bill N: I agree that most of labeled kids are being labeled by incompetent psychologists.
But, I see so many disruptive kids with really wild behavior, and school authorities, tied with instructions and rules, can't handle them... because the kids are "special eds". The rule is: no more than 15 days of suspension per year. The kids know it.
2007-08-28 05:01:36 · update #3
Actually, I can see how Teddy Bear's great-grandson applies Soviet system in the Steel City.
2007-08-28 05:03:47 · update #4
Special Ed scores should not count toward the schools scores but the people pushing to count special ed scores are special ed advocates who have seen the special ed budgets explode and do not want to give that up. Special ed students should not be in mainstream classrooms. It is difficult to teach a class of 20 students let alone have 1-5 special ed students in the mix.
Much of our educational problem is liberalism and the touchy feely turn our society has taken-no judgements, weak discipline and piss poor parenting by people who are selfish and look at kids as a secondary responsibility if that. Crap in= crap out.
2007-08-28 05:01:00 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 0⤋
So you're specifically talking about eds (emotional disabilities). If you look at education theory there are various reasons behind it. We have to look at why our sped classes are mostly minority to begin with.
However, current education theory allows that if a student has done well in their special ed classes and evaluation through their Individualized Education Plan allows it they will be mainstreamed and placed into regular classes with extra help from resource teachers. Most of those students are not impeciles, but just learn a bit differently.
This would have been a better question for the education section of this forum.
Edit: EDs are considered REAL disabilities. That includes ADHD.
2007-08-28 11:56:11 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 2⤋
Probably some of the problems could be corrected if, instead of labeling every kid who can't sit still and pay attention "ADHD" and put them on drugs, we applied some discipline in schools. I'm not saying ADHD doesn't exist, but I worked in a school district where practically every other kid was labeled with a syndrome and medicated instead of disciplined...not a good situation.
2007-08-28 11:57:02 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 4⤊ 0⤋
There is another thing you forgot. Some students know that if they do nothing they will still get promoted to the next grade. After eight years of this they don't take their education seriously and then flunk out of high school.
They are the ones that should be left in the grade they flunk with no social promotions.
2007-08-28 11:56:33 · answer #4 · answered by eric l 6 · 3⤊ 0⤋
Yes. I have a family member
who is epileptic and in his school district they placed all the special ed kids in the school with regular students. I did not like that because special ed students need extra attention.
EDIT: You talk about 'disrupting discipline' and 'downgrading SAT scores', the large percentage of kids who contribute those two things are not special ed students but regular students with a lack of home training and idiotic parents.
Please know what you are talking about before you make those kind of statements.
2007-08-28 11:53:57 · answer #5 · answered by Still Beautifully Conservative 5 · 2⤊ 2⤋
These students are no more disruptive than all the other students who do not need more than an elementary education. What we should have is a system that doesn't leave children behind, it kicks them out if they are not interested in furthering their education. They can always opt back in if they change their minds, but in the meantime, teachers would only be teaching students who wanted to learn.
2007-08-28 11:55:07 · answer #6 · answered by mommanuke 7 · 2⤊ 2⤋
The idea that all children can or should learn at the same level is stupid. All it does is hold the smarter kids behind, creating one crappy pile of mediocrity.
It seems reasonable to me that people who need special help should be educated in a separate area where their needs can be met.
2007-08-28 11:53:59 · answer #7 · answered by Underground Man 6 · 6⤊ 0⤋
Yeah, that's what we need the Soviet model!
Seriously, this is a complex issue, with no easy or single solution. Not all handicapped or learning disabled children are mainstreamed, and of those who are, not all are mainstreamed for all of their classes. Many have special classes which meet their needs.
2007-08-28 11:59:29 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 2⤋
ADHD and Special Ed children are not required to take the SAT's and are therefore not hurting overall SAT scoring. Criminals that are proven to be criminals are incarcerated, and if they are juveniles, they are held in juvenile centers where they are educated.
Your question is really just rhetorical.
2007-08-28 11:56:43 · answer #9 · answered by fangtaiyang 7 · 0⤊ 3⤋
Even if your way of doing it is harsh it has it`s points. Why should kids that want to learn be forced it sit in a class with kids that just want to play?
Maybe not schools but class rooms that keep the ones that are keep other from learning.
2007-08-28 11:55:06 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 1⤋