Why do Libs look only at total number of poor people and not where they originated?

Question

The number of poor people continues to rise at about the same rate as growth of our total population.

But that's not because people are moving down - it's because people are moving UP - - but being replaced more than 1 for 1 with NEW poor people from other countries, who have come here either legally or illegally.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6214022/site/newsweek/

This may be an indictment of our immigration policy - or lack thereof - but it is NOT an indictment of our economic policy.

These people didn't start out in the US and BECOME poor here - they were poor somewhere else - typically a country where there is LESS of a free market in place - and CAME here.

And by and large even THEY move up over time.

WS are you actually going to ANSWER a question today or are you just going to spout off like a spoiled brat?

Quoting Cornholio is not an answer.

Who said I "hate anybody brown" - - ?????

What about this says I hate anybody based on skin color?

I just hate LIARS. Let them come - I play soccer with a bunch of Argentines and Russians every Wednesday night, it's quite possible that some of them are illegals - I've never asked.

All I'm saying is stop using the effect that importing millions of poor people has on the economic stats to make arguments you know to be false.

Americans aren't getting poorer - just like we're not getting shorter. We've lately imported a lot of poor short people and that's fine, but be HONEST that that drags down the median income and inflates the poverty figures.

I'm not saying build the wall - I'm just saying if we'd built one in the same year that Europe's wall came down, poverty would have in the interim been reduced by about 1/3.

Information police - welfare DID keep people in poverty, generation after generation - - - it's since been REFORMED and the tax burden put in place to pay for it SHARPLY REDUCED and there is now significantly more economic mobility.

It's just that every Democrat who has run for President since Clinton has OPPOSED this shift.

RKO YES THAT'S WHAT AMERICA IS ALL ABOUT - let them come, let them move up!!!!! But if 1.25 million poor people come here and a year later there are 0.25 million more poor people than there had been a year earlier, THAT MEANS THAT, NET, 1 MILLION PEOPLE MOVED UP, NOT THAT 250,000 MOVED DOWN, WHICH IS WHAT KRUGMAN, REICH AND DOBBS HOPE YOU'LL INTERPRET IT TO MEAN.

WS soccer is a real sport - no pads.

Answer 1

I believe that illegal immigrants are indeed skewing many of the figures regularly used, from poverty rates to numbers of uninsured to "wage stagnation," etc.

Thanks for pointing it out!

Answer 2

The percentage of people below the poverty level went up every year under Bush until just this year. That's not the same as the total number, and the percentage, aka the "poverty rate" it is what liberals and others, including the Census Bureau look at.

The article you've linked is several years old, and does not include recent figures which show that the real income of the middle class has denied.

The artice it does make the point that many immigrants, legal and illegal are poor. However, like it or not, they're part of the economy as long as they live here, and their poverty affects all of us, straining social services, our hospitals and our schools.

Answer 3

So, what's your point?
If these 'poor' people come to America and eventually "move up over time" - isn't that what America's all about? Even on the Statue of Liberty, it says that this country welcomes the poor and the downtrodden. That's what made America great.....the tenacity, determination, and unbreakable will of people who wanted to escape the tyranny and oppression of their governments.
Our forefathers came here as, basically, the very first 'illegal immigrants'. They didn't bother to learn the native American Indians' language or adopt their customs. They took over their land, raped their women, massacred their tribal leaders, shot millions of buffalo just for the sheer sport of it, and left the carcasses to rot on the great plains (which the Indians regarded as sacred, and the frontiersmen viewed as inexhaustible).
Finally, why blame the 'libs' for looking only at the total number of poor people instead of from where they originated? I would assume that these figures come from the government bureaucracy, which is managed by the 'cons' in the Oval Office. -RKO- 08/28/07

Answer 4

Theoretically, you might have a valid point in all that.

But whatever it is, it's buried in a bunch of overgeneralizations.

The article makes the point for you, but you took the point to assume "liberals" (whatever group that's intended to encompass) ONLY look at total numbers of poor people. Where did THAT come from?

So basically, I can't answer your question, because the question itself is logically flawed.

I wouldn't worry about liberals who spin statistics to try to flame conservatives, same as I don't worry about conservatives who try to flame liberals. The type of liberal that I am is concerned with cyclical, intergenerational poverty and underachievement. That continues to exist.

Answer 5

While I agree that immigrants are adding to the list of the poor, I disagree that that the poor are moving up. Fuel prices and the rise of everything associated with it have raised my monthly expenses by about 50%. I don't see the poor moving up with the cost of living being increased by that much.

Answer 6

We have become a nation of convenience and shopping malls and plazas dot our nation from sea to shinning sea .


The never ending need for variety and junk to entertain Americans has reached a level that is detrimental to many Americans by providing jobs in which workers mill about all day long adjusting products on shelves in hopes that consumers will buy them .

Answer 7

Then why are cons always whinning about how welfare keeps people in poverty, generation after generation.

Pick a story and stay with it, okay.

Answer 8

Hey can you fiance my trip the World Series of Poker since you are so wealthy.

Or are you just running your mouth and just wanting me to get all hopefull that you will?

Which is it?

Edit: Are you threating me? What are you upset that I am answering your rants with nonsense!

Does that bother you?

Anyways will you fiance my trip to the World Series of Poker?

Tell me?

Edit: LOL your rants are not questions!

Edit: You play soccer, you are such as wuss. Play a real sport.

Answer 9

You've saving this up for almost two years?

Wow.

Let's see,not only to you hate Muslims,you hate anybody brown...

At least you're consistent....