Is it "hate speech" to call the KKK a bunch of racist, murderous thugs?

Question

I don't think so.

But what about a group that murders more people every day than the KKK has killed over the last 50 years combined?

What about a group that preaches the same hatred of everyone else, especially Jews?

Is it "hate speech" to point out and denounce OTHER people's hate speech and hateful actions?

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

Sura (8:12) - I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them

Sura (8:59-60) - And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy



Sura (9:5) - So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them



Sura (9:14) - Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace...

Sura (9:20) - Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah's way are of much greater worth in Allah's sight. These are they who are triumphant. The "striving" spoken of here is Jihad.



Sura (9:29) - Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

Sura (9:38-39) - O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place This is a warning to those who refuse to fight, that they will be punished with Hell.



Sura (9:41) - Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but knew


Sura (9:73) - O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination

Sura (9:88) - But the Messenger, and those who believe with him, strive and fight with their wealth and their persons: for them are (all) good things: and it is they who will prosper.


Sura (9:111) - Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.



Sura (9:123) - O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness



Sura (21:44) - We gave the good things of this life to these men and their fathers until the period grew long for them; See they not that We gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? Is it then they who will win?

Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

Muslim (1:33) - the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah



Bukhari (8:387) - Allah's Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah



Muslim (1:149) - "Abu Dharr reported: I said: Messenger of Allah, which of the deeds is the best? He (the Holy Prophet) replied: Belief in Allah and Jihad in His cause..."



Muslim (20:4645) - "...He (the Messenger of Allah) did that and said: There is another act which elevates the position of a man in Paradise to a grade one hundred (higher), and the elevation between one grade and the other is equal to the height of the heaven from the earth. He (Abu Sa'id) said: What is that act? He replied: Jihad in the way of Allah! Jihad in the way of Allah!"

http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Prophet_of_Doom_16_Mein_Kampf.Islam

http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Clubs.Islam

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/010-women-worth-less.htm

pip what the heck is there to debate?

Answer 1

Latest Offerings from the Religion of Peace

8/28/07 ( Mogadishu, Somalia ) - Four civilians are pumped full of bullets as Somali Islamists vow to keep 'fighting.'
8/28/07 ( Pattani, Thailand ) - A 40-year-old Buddhist woman is shot to death by Muslim militants as she arrives for work at a rubber plantation.
8/28/07 ( Kabul, Afghanistan ) - A religious extremist murders three NATO soldiers helping to build a bridge.
8/27/07 ( Pattani, Thailand ) - A second school teacher is murdered by Islamic extremists.
8/27/07 ( Fallujah, Iraq ) - A suicidal Sunni blows himself up near a rival mosque, taking ten innocents out with him.
8/27/07 ( Baghdad, Iraq ) - Shia pilgrims are shot dead by Sunni snipers, adding to the sectarian violence.


Monthly Jihad Report
July, 2007 Jihad Attacks: 322
Countries: 17
Dead Bodies: 2211
Critically Injured: 2674

Aug. 18 - Aug. 24 Jihad Attacks: 88
Dead Bodies: 402
Critically Injured: 638


That_Guy_Over_There - Please by all means provide a list similar to the one I pasted above. Please keep in mind that the info above is for TWO MONTHS so, if you can accept the challenge please, by all means… keep it within 2 months of recent history.

I do not condone the KKK. They are just as bad as the "radical" Islamists.


Why the thumbs down? When facts are facts then what else is there to say? The above information is factual. There is no bias. No political agenda. Just facts.

What do you people do, put your fingers in your ears, cover your eyes and scream insanely “NOT FAIR NOT FAIR, IT’S NOT TRUE!”?

Answer 2

this is not an equal comparison, but it should be pointed out that as far as i have seen, islamic belief is that everyone that doesnt believe in exactly what they believe in is to be wiped off the planet, so anyone that follows the religion, extremist or not, will have that idea in their heads. just because the extremists are only a small fraction of overall muslims, look at what a group of determined extremists can do (9/11, road side bombs in iraq, suicide bombings all over the world, the glasgow airport attack, etc.). this thing is quickly growing out of control, but most people would rather us sit back and not do anything about anything because "its only the extremists". something needs to be done about it, because if not you can say goodbye to your way of life, because there is nothing more that these extremist terrorists want to do more than kill you and everyone you love.

Answer 3

why not just come out and say what you mean?

you are equating the members of a racist organization (the KKK) with an entire religion. Everyone in the KKK was and is a racist. Not everyone that's a Muslim is a suicide bomber terrorist.

FYI 99% of KKK members past and present are self proclaimed Christians. Does this mean all Christians are racist hate mongers? What religion were you again?

Answer 4

Hate speech is about intention more than what you are actually saying.


Some people find what you have to say about Islam hate speech because you are setting out to attack it.. not to debate it.

Edit: It doesn't matter if you feel there is nothing to debate.. people will always have a different opinion than you on issues like this... so you have to ask questions in a way that doesn't attack those opinions if you don't want to be accused of hate speech. Your style is what gets you flagged a lot... that's all I'm saying.

Answer 5

There's a difference. With the KKK, all members are signing on to support their actions. You could call Al Qaeda a bunch of murdering thugs, and that wouldn't be hate speech, but to say that that applies to all Muslims is as unfair as saying that all Southern Baptists are racist murdering thugs. It's true that Muslims are more likely to be Al Qaeda supporters/sympathizers than Baptists are to be KKK members/sympathizers, but that doesn't make it fair to apply to broad brush to the 2/3 or so of Muslims who really are peace-loving people, or even to the vast majority of the rest of them who sympathize with the violence, but don't commit it.

Answer 6

As a Jew,I find it highly irritating for you to use my Race as a justification for this bizarre,pointless,never ending rant.

How about we talk about all the Jews Christians have murdered?It's far more than the Muslims.They're just the latest bunch of idiots we have to worry about.

Answer 7

Wow, you are really hung up on this huh? Someone must have really pissed you off by reporting you. I got reported for saying Conservatives have contempt for hungry children and the elderly. I didn't think that was radical either, but I must have pissed someone off with the truth.

Answer 8

Whatever. That site promotes fear and hate. I mean, a picture of a terrorist saying "Got Quran?". You promote hate and should rethink things.

Yes there is a threat from extremists but you are one of those.

Answer 9

Isn't it time for you to take a break and walk away from the computer?

Answer 10

Are you having a moment of roid rage this morning? Or are you angry because people don't agree with you and don't like that you called the names.

I can only assume that you are still a virgin.