What created the molten metal on 9/11?

Question

Please watch these videos before you comment:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-364734785678120841&hl=en

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qa7PN-8T2VY

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=molten+metal+wtc&search=Search

Melting temperature for steel = 1532 C

Flame temperature for any hydrocarbon fuel air fire whose only
source of oxygen is still air = under 250 C

Burning temperature for paper = Fahrenheit 451F = 233 C

(you can check these facts with a pyrometer or high
temperature sensor or thermal imaging camera) Don't believe
a word that I say, test these things out for yourself !

Answer 1

I did watch the first youtube video, which was interesting.

I could tell that the vid maker is not scientifically literate since they claimed the continuous molten stream pouring from the building is military "thermate." The correct term is "thermite."

I also noticed that the stream is pouring from a point in the building that is in the lower left edge of the oblong aircraft impact hole. I don't suppose that it ever occurred to anyone that there are many many tons of aluminum in the superstructure of a commercial aircraft. The melting point is 660 C. I have personally melted alum soda cans in a small steel bucket over an open camp fire.

Answer 2

Why don't you explain how a controled demolition, would have made all the molten metal ? If all the meatl pouring out of the side of the building was just " Steel " Where did it come from ? It would have had to be from the steel support columns from that point and above, right ? Now with all the support colmns melted, just how did the top of the building, stay up , From the time the molten metal poured out of the side of the WTC, untill the building collasped ? Surely your not saying that 40 floors above, stood for 45 mins, with all the steel support beams melted ? And lets take it a step further. What if someone did use thermite cutting charges on the steel beams. Where did all that melted steel come from ? A cutting charge, would burn a 1/2 gap in the beam, basicly cutting it in two. So there is no way, all those 1/2 pieces of melted steel, was enough to cause all that melted metal. So where did it come from ?

Answer 3

There is no "law of conservation of temperature," only energy need be conserved. Your error is in assuming that the temperature of the WTC fire was limited to the temperature of the combustibles involved.

The law of conservation of energy is embodied in the first law of thermodynamics. One formulation of this law is the energy formulation of Reynold's Transport Theorem. Ceterus paribus, when modified for temperature, the Reynold's formula can be simply stated:

The Temperature of a Volume = (The heat energy added minis the heat energy lost) multiplied by a constant

As the fire burns, more heat energy is added. If that heat energy has no place to go, regardless of the temperature of that heat energy, that heat energy will be added to the control volume and the temperature of that control volume will increase.

The temperature of a specific volume is limited only by the dynamics that add and remove heat energy, NOT by the temperature of the inputted heat. In other words, the heat generated by a sufficient amount of any burning combustible, if properly channeled, is capable of melting steel.

As for the "melted steel" portrayed in your videos, I don't believe that it is steel at all. The close ups reveal that all of the orange flow is cascading from the windows. This is consistent with my understanding of molten glass. And, by the way, glass does melt within the temperature range of burning jet fuel.

Answer 4

Some possibilities:
1: different types of steel have different melting points
2: the fire's source of oxygen was not just still air
3: the burning temperature of paper is irrelevant to any of this
4: that wasn't molten steel
5: you're mistaken about the things you think you know, and don't even know enough about the various fields of scientific inquiry to tell which "expert" to believe.
6: all of the above

Any one of these is orders of magnitude more probable than the things that any of those videos claim.

Answer 5

Blackcat06:

I have viewed your videos, and frankly, I find them lacking in any substantial evidence. Conjecture and guesses aplenty, but not a whole lot of research.

Besides, who has good enough eyesight, to be able to distinguish molten metal from sparks in those videos? They were so grainy and out of focus that I had a hard time distinguishing the building from the sky in the background at some points.

If this is the best "evidence" that you have, I recommend that you take a look at some of the links provided in response to this "question" and your other "questions."

Answer 6

I can see you've never melted the iron grates in a wood burning stove by accident. or seen the melted glass from an ordinary house fire. because by your calculations these things are not possible so they cant happen.

Answer 7

There was no molten metal. The metal softened and bent; it did not melt.

Answer 8

If you can handle the TRUTH ==>http://www.debunking911.com/moltensteel.htm

Answer 9

http://usinfo.state.gov/media/misinformation.html

http://www.debunking911.com/moltensteel.htm