we dont raise the cats, dogs, to eat ( hopefully)
I have raised a calf to cow and It was hard to take Bessie to slaughter
2007-08-27 02:56:06
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answered by Mopar Muscle Gal 7
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Great question.
It is never right to take the life of any animal. But if we eat meat, we do. How can we justify this? Millions of different arguments but I won't justify it because I don't think I morally can. It is a choice which ignores the pain and suffering of the animal.
Eating meat is becoming increasingly harder for me, I haven't eaten it in over a fortnight. Why? because I have been revisiting my young adult (vegetarian) values and re reading the books I read then. The smell of meat cooking is making me feel sick. Why Now? Re-awakened Consciousness.
Emotional connection to pets: yes we are human we all develop emotional connections to other living things. Again you are right we should treat all animals with respect
I don't believe that we are all born selfish. Most people do care when someone else is suffering, but you are right, when we have an emotional connection to them then it is even harder to deal with.
I do not think it is survival instincts. Sometimes I think we credit other people we are close to with qualities that they do not have. Our love for them makes them seem more 'perfect' than they can humanly be because of our connection with them. We excuse harmful behaviour, we minimize it, ignore it. This helps no-one and eventually hurts everyone close, far more than dealing with.
Let me give you an example: My daughter feels really insecure in one of her friendships. They fell out recently and trust was totally broken. Her friend makes arrangements to go out and then cancels them at the last minute. My daughter gets angry and then does the same to her friend. Now the only way to move forward is for one of them to 'challenge' the situation. Once they are being honest with each other again new trust can really be built. Neither will challenge, they are scared to risk the outcome. If they don't then their friendship will die anyway.
I don't think we are born selfish, I don't believe we have hidden agendas I think conflicts usually arise when we have misunderstood the other person's intentions and beliefs. I think conflict arises when we are not honest with ourselves about the part we play in conflicts. I think in crisis we make changes that we need to make that we dare not risk in non crisis situations.
I think we can really achieve peace but it takes some work. The biggest thing in any human relationship is Trust. When we really trust those we are emotionally close to then that for me is peace.
2007-08-27 09:40:51
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answered by Anonymous
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Pretty simple really.
It's the law of the jungle and the law of the tribe.
The law of the jungle is...Well, there is no law. In the jungle it's kill or be killed. You can kill and eat anything you can. A lion or bacteria does not ask permission to kill a human, if they want to do it, and can do it, they do it.
The tribe on the other hand is a cooperative. Law and morality govern behavior between tribesmen.
There is no Right or Wrong in the jungle, there is only can or can't do. Right and Wrong apply only to treatment of tribe members.
Cows, pigs and sheep are domesticated, but they are not family. They are not in our tribe. So we can do what we want with them. Dog and Cats however are family. They ARE tribe, and so we feel it is Wrong to eat or mistreat them.
Emotions, in particular Love, is what forms the tribe. So yes, the emotional connection is what creates our sense of right and wrong. Many Vegans Love all animals, and so think eating them would be wrong. Nazi's didn't think Jews were tribesmen, and so felt perfectly at ease exterminating as many as possible.
Kill a tribesman you're a murderer. Kill an enemy of the tribe, your a hero.
Life is a competition. For every meal you've had something had to die.
Love did not evolve to end conflict; it evolved to make us better competitors. Our chance of survival goes up when we act as a group.
Love is NOT unselfishness, it is extending our sense of self around a group, individual Self Interest or Selfishness is replaced by group Selfishness. We 'Love' because it is in our best interest to do so.
Peace is achievable, but like Love, most people don't really understand what Peace is. Peace means you control the violence. It means you can eat anything you want, and nothing can eat you. Picture a peaceful midwestern farm. The farmer can kill and eat the animals as he chooses. If a predator like a bear showed up, the farmer would shoot it. Police, trained in violence prevent wayward tribesmen for trespassing on the farm. Soldiers, trained in violence, prevent other tribes from taking the farm. The farmer and his society control the violence, and so are at peace.
JFTR. Life's agenda, to eat, reproduce and defend itself, is not hidden. Hidden agendas usually involve an attempt to cheat the social contract. Because it is self interest that creates the society, we are frequently tempted to act in our own self interest at the society's expense.
2007-08-27 04:39:26
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answered by Phoenix Quill 7
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What a stupid question. Does a plant breathe, does it make noises, does it sense soreness, does it walk around, does it have a ideas? The record ought to circulate on and on. vegetation are only vegetation. Animals ought to have as plenty rights as people do. people have not got any top to easily make certain they are able to eliminate the lives of harmless animals only via fact they have weapons and the animals won't have the capacity to look after themselves. people think of they have the properly suited to make certain whether or no longer they are able to consume meat or no longer...they must no longer actually have a decision, it incredibly is going to no longer be their option to make, animals have not got a decision. They get pushed right into a van, pushed away questioning what's going to ensue and then bam, they get killed horribly. i won't have the capacity to desribe how incorrect this is. Animals have lives of their own, no person even thinks approximately that. people only want effective tasty nutrients yet do no longer care what an animal has long exceeded by using to offer them quite nutrients on their plate...which isn't favored. I even have very very stable perspectives in this. i admire being vegetarian and everybody must be. i do no longer care what you idiotic meat eaters think of roughly that.
2016-10-17 02:37:52
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answered by Anonymous
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Right and wrong is decided by each individual. Then the common decision is being justified by the society and thus law is passed down. The common human has such sense of empathy you described and thus it became right to hunt for food and wrong to kill your cherished ones.
The fact that right and wrong is complicated is because not everyone feels the same about certain topics like murder of strangers, like you have said. And of course there are also groups of people who find it a sin to kill animals, like the buddhist monks. So if you are to live by your own justification, your own rules and they differ from the society, you will be outcasted or worse hunted like a criminal.
2007-08-27 02:56:16
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answered by caroline 5
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Good question. On the human level, I have always wondered why people say "never again" to the holocaust, while it happens ever again and again. Perhaps you're right, only with some emotional connection do we actually care. I like the way you think. Guess this means I can't kill you now, Damn!
2007-08-27 03:05:41
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answered by phil8656 7
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Some say its not OK to eat any animals some say all animals are fair game. It is a tenuous line of logic that defines which animals are OK and which are not since any designation of edibility will surely raise the objections of some group.
We eat animals because of tradition, not ethics, and any designation of edibility is purely arbitrary.
2007-08-27 03:03:29
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answered by Duncan w ™ ® 7
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Its about personality, you cant eat something with personality, unless its a duck but ducks are the exception to all animal eating rules. dogs got personality. personality goes a long way. If a pig had as much personality as a dog we wouldn't eat pigs either. we can't eat tuna because dolphins are getting caught in the net, dolphins got so much personality and that it stops us from eating the tuna too and thats some tasty fish. mmmm. tuna.
2007-08-27 04:11:05
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answered by crazyfakar 2
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Yes. Screw everyone and everything. If it will help me live i will eat it. But today is screwed and thats not worst of your troubles. Have fun living your live in a toxin full world. Toxins are everywhere now a days and in everything we use. We will all get cancer. We live in a nuculear waste dump. Grats to the government for not doing anything but let us die.
Good job to Johnson and Johnson posioning your baby the first bath it gets. Come on keep out the harmful toxins. No more tears until you hit 67 and get cancer.
2007-08-27 02:58:51
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answered by Michael 2
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Interesting perspective. I believe it started when Cain killed Abel. It has been downhill since for the human race. We must all remember why we are really here on Earth.
2007-08-27 08:29:08
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answered by The Voice of Reason 7
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it's not right to kill any animal as long as you don't need it to survive=eat. and it's true that we don't really suffer when somebody we aren't emotionally bound suffers or dies, and if we care about it, it's just because we know that if it happened to that person I can also happen to us/our beloved ones. and, again, it's true that people are born selfish, not entirely, just a little bit: it's called survival instinct
2007-08-27 03:07:34
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answered by kimmi 2
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