so the bible tells us it is a sin to be gay, i thought that there was a separation of church and state?

Question

what harm does a homosexual civil union have on marrage?
what harm does a homosexual civil union have on society?
instead of a gay marrage ban why not pass a no falt divorce ban? or do you not acctualy care about preserving marrage?

jeremy r why dont i hear any thing about people tring to ban no falt divorces???
i listen to the tv news, npr, and a conservative radio and i never hear this brought up!!!!

thumper, nice name
i dont mind you living your life by the bible or gods word or what ever but i think it is wrong to force everybody else to live by your gods ways

jm1970 how much would civil unions cost big business?
i would think it would save money because in a normal pension if you want your payment to pass on to your spouse you get less up frount (about 80% and when you die your spouse gets 50%)

mike b
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Answer 1

You bring up a great point! If the pro-heterosexual marriage crowd was so concerned that the sancticy of "normal" marriage needed to be preserved, where are they on strengthening the "normal" marriage covenant legally.

Do we see the anti-gay marriage "pro-family" crowd lobbying their state legislatures to:
1) eliminate no fault divorce? No!
2) put into place some qualifications (other than payment of a license fee and blood test (in some states)) to get married! No!
3) Trying to get a waiting period or some counseling, consent, or notification and objection period on a marriage, like they want on abortion? No!
4) Picketing drive-through and quickie marriage chapels, like they do picketing abortion clinics? No!

Answer 2

Dear, dear Special K. I am not against homosexuality at all. I have a brother and a son who are gay. Unfortunately the US is not ready to accept marriages of the same sex. This is hard for me because I know what I learned in school and church and that it is a sin. In my heart of heart I have to say that it is a persons choice and we are afforded certain freedoms here. I agree with civil unions. If one chooses to stay with a partner as a life time commitment they should also receive the benefits of life and health insurance and the other benefits of marriage. Everyone should be able to enjoy the pride and commitment of marriage or a civil union. The world is changing and will continue to change. The older generation that forms the bias's in politics are dying off and retiring. Look for good things to come from our younger generations. I have been married to a man of another race for almost 20 years and a lot of people have problems with that. Equality is for everyone, not just straight people. Civil unions will enable the gay community to fight on for gay marriages. More power to you!!!

Answer 3

First of all, the term "marriage equality" is illusory. All men and women in the United States have equal access to marriage. But under the very definition of marriage (one man-one woman) no person has the right to marry more than one person at a time or to marry a minor child, a close relative, an animal or a person of the same sex. Generally speaking, any man can marry any woman. Just because one may choose not to do so, does not mean that he cannot do so. And just because one defines his identity based upon his choice to mimic sexual intercourse with persons of the same sex, it does not preclude him from marrying within equally applied parameters. He has equal access to marriage and by definition enjoys "marriage equality.
"The thrill of their 'victory' is gone. It's not about their 'right' to marry and it never has been. It's about condoning their lifestyle and removing the sacredness of traditional marriage."
As the numbers on this "gay marriage" social experiment continue to plummet, it's becoming obvious that homosexual activists don't care one iota about "marriage." Their true agenda is not really "marriage equality" and the right to enter into monogamous "marriages," but rather, their intention is to water down traditional marriage so that the institution - which is so very important to healthy child rearing and a healthy society - no longer has a unique and respected place in society. Everything that marriage stands for (i.e., monogamy, fidelity, the nuclear family and those "oppressive" gender stereotypes associated with the need for a "mom" and a "dad") must be done away with in order to foster acceptance of sin.
But it goes far beyond simply undermining marriage. In order to legitimize disordered sexual behaviors, which have traditionally been considered immoral and are scientifically and objectively proven to be destructive, it's necessary to dissolve the notion that traditional marriage and the nuclear family are normative and represent the gold standard. According to some, that's a sexually repressive Judeo-Christian concept. And in order for secular humanism to properly take root, we need a society which embraces the idea that all forms of sexual behavior - no matter how perverse or destructive - are equally valid.
Americans are catching on to the disingenuous motives behind the homosexual activist push for "same-sex marriage."
As fewer and fewer homosexuals avail themselves of the opportunity to "marry" in those areas where it's allowed, it's likely that the obvious disconnect between the clamor for "marriage equality" and "gay marriages" actually performed will continue to both expose and alert Americans to the illegitimate motives behind this illegitimate concept.

Answer 4

Because big business does not want to pay benefits to same sex partners...do you have any idea how much it would cost companies to do that?

The GOP protects big business..they couldn't care less about the morality behind it.....just like the only reason the GOP latched on to abortion was because it was the only way to get the Catholic (and other Christian) vote....The GOP is horrible on all social issues of the church, but they get a free ride for all their sins because of people jerking their knees saying "I don't like abortion" and voting for Republicans.

And it is actually....don't spell like them!

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If businesses had to offer health benefits to gay couples it would cost billions a year, a cost they would most likely pass on to us. The reason the GOP opposes it is because their lobbyist don't want to pay that......

Health care is a HUGE expense.......It is like an extra $5,000 to $10,000 a year per employee.......think about if they had to pay gay partners.

I'm a Christian, who believes in church and state......I feel marriage is a legal contract and any legal adult of sound mind should be able to enter it with another legal adult of sound mind....regardless of sexual orientation.

I'm a Catholic who also believes that a marriage sanctioned by the church is a sarcament. I would be against any Christian church performing the service and giving it religious sanction....that is the CHURCH who lives by the Bible, the government doesn't.

Moses, gave marriage the first legal standing in the Bible....Christ gave it spiritual standing.

God allows free will...who I am to take it away? I don't have all the answers...I have many gay friends who are in loving and safe relationships.....why shouldn't they have the same legal rights as me?

Answer 5

Oddly, there's not a single word in the New Testament that mentions 'gay' behavior one way or the other. The 'Old' or original Testament lumps gay conduct in with a lot of other things, like not mixing wool and linen threads, or the ever popular stoning to death of unfaithful wives. Even the Jews don't believe in that BS anymore..and 'The Almighty' is their tribal God.

Answer 6

As I said earlier, I'm all for getting rid of no fault divorce.
Anyone serious about marrige should be.

And then you connect two unreleated things and thread them together with something retarded.

Yes the bible says it's a sin to be gay. Yes there is a seperation of church and state. There is no connection.

Nobody serious is banning gays. All you gay men and women... yes you, can live together in a lovely gay relationship. Next thing you'll be asking is to be strait... oh wait you are!

Answer 7

I think it would be a great idea to ban no-fault divorces. There is no separation of church and state. You are referring to the establishment clause in the consitiution. The separation issue was in a letter Jefferson wrote to someone I can't think of right now.

Answer 8

As I said before, I have no problems on Civil Unions. Yes, it's just a name change. But religion feels marriage is a religous ceremony and they have a point. But I don't think gay couples should be forced to be without the same rights and privileges that government and corporations provide hetero married couples.

Now, onto one other thing. By your logic of seperation of Church and State. If a religion condoned human sacrafice as a viable form of showing respect to their God, then should the practicioners of that religion be allowed to perform human sacrafices on the belief that Church and State should be completely seperate and no laws be made to infringe upon their beliefs? Just a counter point, not a personal attack.

Answer 9

Gay people who married the opposite sex just to have a family life will be able to come out of the closet and thus ruin their own marriages.

That is the only rational excuse i can come up with for married people to really care.

Answer 10

gypsy_cat 345,
You are so 100% correct!!!!

If you don't like it don't do it, but don't push YOUR OWN PERSONAL BELIEFS on other people!!! That is all I ask as a citizen of the "free" United States of America....

Remember Thumper you are talking about "your god". You might not know this but NOT ever body has the same beliefs as you, You Christian Conservatives choose to live your lives by the word of God, I'm assuming Christianity, but that does NOT give you the right to dictate the lives of other FREE AMERICAN PEOPLE........do you now get it?