Does everybody find it invasive, embarrssing, and degrading that they place gay rights issues on ballots?

Question

For people to vote YES or NO?

And that our life and what happens to our life is based entirely on the opinions of other people and polticians?

i find it barbaric and just cruel - but, that's the prupose of such gay right's proposals - to show gay's their place.

Tom W - how boring are you? LOL! You're so....full of yourself! Even your avatar screams "tude" LOL. I am with my big, thick (fat) arms. LOL!

I am sorry if I have bothered you by being bothered by such inititaves and proposals that I have worked on here in my state to watch my rights be banned. Andm how also how ridiculous such measures are. Andm they are ridiculous and invasive. I also stated my opinion and was looking for others who share my view. Which there are. You are entitled to blast me for stating my opinion. That's fine. It makes you look rather queeny - but, again that's fine.

Please, if my questions bother you don't answer them. Simple as that.

By the way, most states with exception of Arizona that voted down the ammendment, used gay "rights" as a ploy to take away any rights as well as health benefits/insurance of gay couples. When a ban takes place, constitutional ammendments take away all gay rights leaving them open to be subjected to firing, no health insurance, violence that is NOT protected under the law, and domesitic partnerships taken away. These will then become illegal. Wrong? yes. Cruel. Yes. As most of hte people who back these are people with strong financial backings who spend hundreds of thousands of dollars from funds of both personal and organizational dollars to get such bans inacted.

Sleepy, you're great. You're not uneducated.

If you wouldl ike further information on just how bans have effected gay peoples lives you should take a look at what happened to gay people in Michigan. They are not protected under the law at all in that state. Not to mention the mess that has happened with their health and medical insurance.

Answer 1

yes

Answer 2

As a straight male, I do. I cant believe that in this century there are even any issues with it. It shouldnt be anymore of a concern than someone with brown eyes, if that makes any sense. Just another person as far as Im concerned.

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Maybe there should be a strong leader, fighting daily and taking the flack until the rights are given as any other group that were previously denied their rights. If there is such a person, Im not sure Ive heard of them. Ive heard of the parades and outcries per se, but not a leader...

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Im from the so-called hateful and uneducated south, and its true that I am a minority. I do try to educate people all the time to the best of my abilities...

Answer 3

Like I have said on other occasions, some basic human rights issues are just too important to be settled by the ballot - and not the courts.

I would imagine that if you put the equal rights of black US citizens to a vote in the 1960s in the South, a majority would have voted against it. That doesn't make it right, nor Constitutional.

The same thing is happening today with same-gender marriage issues. I wish a case would go before the Supreme Court, and the Constitution upheld, so that the SAME marriage rights could be given to all US citizens, like the Constitution intends.

(Note that those who would deny us these rights would have to AMEND the Constitution to support their hatreds.)

Excellent question!

Answer 4

How could I not? If the Southern states where interracial marriage was still illegal just a few decades ago had held popular votes to amend their constitutions to render the judiciary impotent, more than a few would have passed. At the turn of the century, we might have even seen a U.S. Constitutional amendment. Those that would place civil rights at the whim of popular opinion are making a mockery of our founding fathers, who were very explicit in their desire to protect the rights of the minority from oppression by the majority.

And as someone who lives in a city where domestic partner benefits have been under attack ever since Michigan's "marriage" amendment was passed, even though the vast majority here favor them (every single precinct in Ann Arbor voted against it), I find it curious that their "let the people vote" mantra has been very conveniently changed to a strategy of trying to wear the city and school district down with protracted litigation as the "family values" crowd tries to show how much they love us by taking away health insurance from working families with children. And, our state Attorney General is using my tax dollars to support their religious crusade... he's already decreed that same-sex second-parent adoptions are unconstitutional, leaving every gay parented kid in the state one parent away from being a ward of the state. A curious strategy from the folks that claim to dislike lawyers and litigation, value families, and favor lower taxes, though they've cost the taxpayers far more in legal bills than it costs to provide those benefits.

Answer 5

Three thoughts:

One, politics makes strange bedfellows, they say, so why not?

Two, but seriously, folks... the majority can never be relied on to protect the interests of the minority. That's why rights were built into the Constitution in the first place and not made subject to the whims of the majority. "First, they came for the Jews...."

And three, there was an A-bomb era post-apocalyptic sci-fi story about babies being born with radiation-induced birth defects, including too many or too few limbs, eyes, ears, etc. In the story, the people added an Amendment that defined "human" as having two arms, two legs, two eyes, etc. How close are we to what was then a far-fetched fantasy world now that we define a "marriage" as consisting of one male-by-birth man and one female-by-birth woman?

Answer 6

In a civilized nation, one based upon the tenets of democracy, this would not be a problem as most people would be well-educated enough to see this as part of the process of ensuring equal rights and justice for all people, no matter what their sexual orientation.

However, in the case of the United States, ballot measures are not intended to spread civil rights to all, but rather they typically are used to reinforce the ignorance and the prejudice of the dominant culture. Therefore, for the sake of what limited rights gays and other minorities have in the U.S., it is probably better that such measures are NOT placed on ballots, particularly in regions known for their lower standards of education and income and/or for their uniquely regressive attitudes, such as in the American South and/or the American intermountain West.

Answer 7

Well I tend to look at everything in the best light possible and in my opinion I am glad they are there - I hope in 5 years there will be no need for such silliness but for now I want the rights and in this deomocratic society the only way to obtain rights is having them voted uopn.

Answer 8

I find it embarassing that in 2007, we find it necessary to use the popular vote determine the level of civil rights to be accorded to any citizen. Right and wrong should not be subject to a popularity contest.

If gay marriage was passed today, for instance, it would not change my marital circumstances one bit. Why does anyone care? If someone believes that God forbids it, fine...don't do it. Leave others to find their own path, as long as it causes you no harm.

Bill
Straight guy who doesn't understand why people don't stay out of each other's lives and bedrooms unless invited

Answer 9

I do find it to be all of those things above you mentioned. However (and I may get slack) I am doing nothing about it. I do not take an active role in politics or human rights. Should I, probably. Right now I leave it to my sistren and brethren to fight for me. We need more leaders, but when it comes to this I am but a follower/spectator. I will vote for the candidate that best works for me and my life.

Answer 10

It makes me angry, makes me feel betrayed, violated, subjegated, et al. Never before has any rights been a ballot issue. Rights are not voted on in this country. Never have been and I really question the maturity level of those who are trying to start making rights something that needs popular approval. That for the judiciary to determine.

Answer 11

-- REVISED ANSWER BY ME (08-26-2007: 01:05pm, C.S.T.)

Any and all previous answers in support of, sympathy towards, as if astute knowledge of, any manner of LGBT or related lifestyle, herewith retracted, as such were offered involuntarily, under duress, given ongoing suffering from injuries experienced due some manner of LGBT participants/promoters, and subsequent alterations, even a form of conditioning as per official cowards in the city where I live (Tulsa, OK), local poor excuse for apartment manager, more than half the residents where I reside, related housing authority (I'm not a bum, I'm disabled), fake relations, various ethnic cults, etc.

Sorry, but prior to tampering launched against me, evidently overseen/managed by various administration, churches and other such filth, I previously lived a simple, casual, typical heterosexual lifestyle of predominantly like aspiration/thought.
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