Do Yankee bashers realize how ignorant they seem?

Question

when they say Yankees ONLY buy players and can't build their own talent?

Over half of their active roster is made up of players that have NEVER played for another MLB team including six of the nine in their everyday line-up. (this is a fact)

The stories of a weak farm system are in the past. Every season for the past three years Yanks have brought up players that have shown signs of greatness.

Bash us with some intelligent facts. Making things up to try and prove your point just shows that you don't really follow baseball as closely as you would like us to believe.

j dub, another ignoramous.

Answer 1

Here is the NYY roster sorted by At Bats
Pos - name - age - games - at bats
SS Derek Jeter -- 33 125 511
2B Robinson Cano - 24 126 480
RF Bobby Abreu -- 33 124 476
3B Alex Rodriguez - 31 125 463
LF Hideki Matsui -- 33 113 438
CF Melky Cabrera - 22 117 417
C Jorge Posada -- 35 115 405
DH Johnny Damon - 33 109 400
DH-1B Jason Giambi - 36 56 182
1B Andy Phillips -- 30 54 172

While its true Matsui never played for another MLB team he can't be considered a product of the NYY farm system. He is more properly a "big money purchase."

Of the top 9 AB totals on the Yankees, the non-NYY products are B.Abreu, Alex R., H.Matsui, J.Damon and J.Giambi. That's 5 of 9 and without checking salaries, looks like some high-priced talent.

Among their starting pitchers, Clemens is probably the highest paid -- followed by Pettite, Mussina, and Pavano. Only Pettite is home grown.

In the bullpen, obviously Rivera is the big $$. Among those that have put in the most work (IP) for the Yankees are, in order: Vizcaino, Rivera, Proctor, Farnsworth, Bruney and Myers. Of the 6 most-used out of the pen, only Rivera is home grown. Bruney was signed by AZ but didn't play for the big club.

The yanks have some really good young home-grown talent. At this point they are not the ones carrying the heavy load.
If NYY makes the post-season the kids could play a major role in how far they go.

Answer 2

The Lexus geezer cites some of the disastrous signing failures like Pavano and Brown, fine, but how does that support the claim of the Yankees "buying" their success?

To me, the classic example of the Yankee haters schizophrenic attitude was '01. Coming into the series with Seattle, the Yankees won 95 regular season games and the Mariners an all-time record 116. Yankee haters, watching from the sidelines (as usual), were delirious. They predicted the "great" Mariners, (who after all played .716 baseball that year), would crush the Yankees. If you remember that year, the Yankees had an aging lineup (O'Neill, Brosius, etc.) without a lot of pop. No one talked about payroll coming into the series.

When the Yankees easily dispatched Seattle 4-1, sure enough, the "payroll" that nobody talked about a week before when the Mariners were supposed to crush the Yanks, suddenly became a huge factor. The team that won over 70% of its games during the regular season was somehow magically disadvantaged by the "payroll" and couldn't manage to win even two games out of six.

Answer 3

There is no doubt the Yankees farm system has contributed to their success. There is also no doubt that the Yankees have been able to keep some of those players over the years because they could afford to pay huge salaries. When Derek Jeter signed his new contract calling for $20,000,000 annually, how many other teams would have been able to do that? Over the years smaller market teams have lost the fine players they developed simply because they could not afford to keep them. I think this is an important point which must not be discarded.

As an outsider looking in I'd also be cautious about proclaiming greatness for any player with limited big league experience, especially pitchers. As an example you hear some Yankee fans proclaiming Joba is the greatest thing since sliced bread. One even suggested that Orel Hershiser's consecutive scoreless innings streak was now in jeopardy. So while it's true there is ignorance among some Yankee bashers, it's also true ignorance is equally distributed among all fans.

Answer 4

You can argue all day, but some people are never going to see beyond the dollar signs. You can point out guys like Posada, Jeter, Cano, Cabrera, Hughes, Wang, Joba, Rivera, etc., but it wont' matter - once people get something in their heads, it's stuck.

It also doesn't help that the media perpetuates the myth of buying their team. The Yanks do what good teams should do, which is to build through the draft and fill in key missing pieces via free agency.

I'm not a Yankee fan, but I understand your point. Still, I wouldn't expect to change too many minds, because I see the same wrong thinking on here no matter how many times others try to correct it.

Answer 5

Here's the reason for my bashing? I don't have anything against the team itself. They have the money, they spend the money. They put everything they have into trying to win Championships. The problem is the fans. I strongly believe that the vast majority of Yankee Haters feel the same way. They don't hate the Yankees nearly as much as they hate the typical arrogant and obnoxious Yankee fans. It's little wonder why New Yorkers have the bad reputation they do. Yankee fans create Yankee Haters.

Answer 6

I agree it is somewhat ignorant. The Yankees have a strong farm system and your right, half their roster is full of players who only know the Yankees. The only gripe I have about them is because I am a fan of a "small market" team. We cant afford the talent the Yankees have on their roster and these types of players will never come to our teams. Money talks and when you dont pay up, it is impossible to lure or keep big name players to your team once they make a name for themselves.

Answer 7

When looking for an excuse for loosing, the argument of other fans is always the same, "The yankees buy the team" (usually in a whiney little voice). I could not agree with you more, the home grown talent on the Yankees is the biggest part of their succes during the past 18 years.

BUT NO ONE BELIEVES US.

Keep up the good fight.

Answer 8

Yea the prescious yankees owner got tired of paying so much damn money for losing playoff series he went a different route. Now he has all these washed up expensive players except for Jeter, Arod , Cano, and Pasada who else do they have that isn't washed up. Let me guess Giambi, Mariano Riveria, Johnny Damon, Roger Clemons? ALL WASHED UP. The problem with Yankees fans is they don't want to admit when there team sucks Sure they made a push to make a close race with Boston but thats because Boston has sucked it up worse then them over the stretch, Bottom line the Yankees do have a descent Farm League but when there owner just gives them all away for big names and trys to buy championships when these old guys Finally retire they are going to have nothing then they will rebuid again and go decades before going to another world series.

Answer 9

OK its like this other than Andy Pettit and Mo Rivera who else have they developed prior to this year? How did Carl Pavono work out for or maybe Kevin Brown lets see Jose Catreras, Oh yea and that 28million$$$ middle reliever whats his name Roger I should had sprint Clemens. Dude Yankee bashers see through the rose color world of the Arrogant Yankee fans fail or will not look through. Look I will give you the benefit of the doubt Brain Cashman seems to be calling the shots and has kept the Blow hard Boss out of the picture. You also have to admit that your post season failures since 2001 have been a direct result of your lack of farm system and failure to address your middle relief and with Rivera having father time breathing down his neck that cutter just doesn't cut like it did it will be a pleasure to watch you all twist in the wind. Long time coming look I could go on and on about Yankee blunders in the free agent market, Your last good class of home grown talent was the 1995-1997 Ara and it is on its way out. We will see about Hughes and this cat Chamberlain so I will bury you just yet just keep my spade in had I will be the 1st to put dead flowers on there grave.

Answer 10

im also a yankee fan and i completely agree with you
few teams in the majors have brought up as many contributors as the yankees in the last three seasons with cano, wang, hughes, melky, and chamberlain. They also have several big pitching prospects still in the minors such as ian kennedy that many scouts predict as a front end starter in the future