the facts...?

Question

We were attacked on 9/11 by terrorists, not by the bush administration, we invaded iraq because we were tipped that there were weapons of mass destruction there and they had the intent to use them against us, and also terrorism was linked to the government. We demolished their government--which is exactly what needed to be done--and now we are responsibly staying to clean up the mess we made. And that means fighting the insurgency long enough to build a stable government, and training their forces to do the job so we can leave them on their own. Americans are not the bad guys, we are taking care of what needs to be done.

How can you argue with this?

Answer 1

Question: How many of the 9/11 hijackers were from Iraq?
Answer: 0.....There were 19 hijackers they were all from Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates.

Question: Who was responsible for the 9/11 attacks?
Answer: Al Qaeda

Question: When the U.S. invaded Iraq was it to topple Al Qaeda?
Answer: No

Question: How was Iraq involved in the 9/11 attacks?
Answer: They weren't.

So tell me how can you justify our invasion of Iraq? You really need to study our involvement with the middle east. We have a long history of involving ourselves in their affairs. Lest we forget our alliance with Saddam Hussein when Iraq was fighting Iran. At that time our beef was with the Ayatollah Khommeni.

Fact: Only after the invasion of Iraq did Al Qaeda gain entrance into Iraq

Fact: Saddam Hussein never allowed Al Qaeda into his country. They were persona non grata there. Al Qaeda relished Saddams defeat so they could enter Iraq and kill Americans. We were put on the defense when our strength was the offense we held in Afghanistan. We could have gotten Bin Laden if in fact our desire was to fight terrorism.

Fact: We all but abandoned the mission in Afghanistan and our pursuit of Bin ladin to Invade Iraq. WTF!!! American had Sadam right where they wanted him he was defenseless against the U.S. We learned that in we he invaded Kuwait and we've kept him on a short leash ever since. There was no need to invade that country.

Fact: Post 9/11 we had the support of most of the world to pursue Al Qaeda. We had a right to avenge the losses we incurred that day. But we lost sight of the real enemy at a very crucial time. Now our emeny is sitting in Pakistan and our country wont' touch him. There was a lot of tough talk on the part of our president "either you're with us or you're with the terrorists" Who is our president with.

We should have never gone there, our fight was not with the Iraqis or Saddam Hussein it was with Bin Laden and Al Qaeda.


If you haven't already seen it, check out Cheney's 94 Cspan interview where he spoke about why invading Iraq was the wrong thing to do. He was dead on with all the predictions. Some people say well that was befor 9/11 you know what Iraq was sitll Iraq and all the horrible things that could happen did.

Now that we're in this mess what now? We broke it so it's ours now. I support Murtha's redeployment plan. We should redeploy to the borders, the insurgency came from outside Iraq.

Answer 2

Very few things that you state are facts. Some of them are claims that MAY be true. Others are simple opinions.

"We were attacked on 9/11 by terrorists, not by the bush administration"

I would suggest that it is not unreasonable to question the official account. However, I would not argue this. I'm willing to grant that it is indeed a stretch to believe that the government orchestrated the attacks.

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"we invaded iraq..."

"We" didn't invade Iraq. To be specific, soldiers under the command of the commander in chief (Bush) invaded Iraq.

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"...because we were tipped that there were weapons of mass destruction there and they had the intent to use them against us"

These are the reasons given. It is not unreasonable to question the official reasons. Further, evidence since the invasion indicates that these reasons were false. The Bush administration either lied or made a huge mistake.

A REAL FACT: The only weapons of mass destruction that Iraq apparently ever had were supplied by the U.S. during Iraq's war with Iran. The U.S. government looked the other way when Saddam used those weapons against the Kurds.

ANOTHER REAL FACT: It was official U.S. policy to seek regime change in Iraq during the Clinton administration. Removing Saddam Hussein was one of the first priorities considered by the Bush administration BEFORE 9/11.

These actual facts seem like reasonable grounds to question the motives given by the administration. Still, I'll grant that the reasons you give MAY be the real motives for the attack. But it is not incontestable.

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"and also terrorism was linked to the government"

Well, I don't doubt that Saddam Hussein supported some Palestinian terrorists. But it is well documented that the Shiite al Qaeda organization had nothing to do with Sunni Iraq. Further, there is no evidence that Iraq had any ties to any organization wishing to carry out attacks in the U.S.

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"We demolished their government"

Yes, we did. First confirmed fact.

ANOTHER FACT: Many Iraqis consider the current government to be a puppet of the U.S. I don't know if this is fair, but I suspect that it is largely true.

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"which is exactly what needed to be done"

An opinion - to be fair, many people shared it at the time of the invasion.

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"and now we are responsibly staying to clean up the mess we made"

Another opinion - many people disagree. Further, an honest assessment could suggest that U.S. troop withdrawal (while not ending the violence) could actually stabilize things there.

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"And that means fighting the insurgency long enough to build a stable government, and training their forces to do the job so we can leave them on their own"

I do actually agree that it would be great to clean up the mess. But I think that the U.S. military is a poor tool to do this. Even if the intentions are good, I think it's fair to say that the U.S. has used up its good will in the region. Keeping the military there is just bound to be a powder keg.

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"Americans are not the bad guys, we are taking care of what needs to be done."

More opinion, but for the record I think that few people opposed to the war think that Americans are the bad guys. Many people think that Bush & Cheney are bad, but you should learn to distinguish between a government and the people that it rules.

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"How can you argue with this?"

With reason. I'm not saying for sure that you're wrong. But when you equate statements and opinion with fact the way you do, you subject yourself greatly to error.

Answer 3

you are delusional.

'intent to use them [wmd] against us' ... please. Iraq couldn't have hit the atlantic ocean with a missle. if you're saying our intelligence was THAT bad, then there are serious problems.

'terrorism was linked to their government'.... no expert on iraq or terrorism ever linked the two. in fact every expert laughed at the idea that two opposing ideologies would ever unite. it's the same as sugggesting two evils such as communist russia and nazi germany would unite. it's simply proposterous to suggest saddam had vested interest in al qaeda or the other way around. this entire justification for war was pure hype.

'which is exactly what needed to be done'... not exactly. some people wanted it done, but that is a far cry from needing to be done. we NEEDED to destroy the taliban and al qaeda, but we didn't do that.

'and now we are responsibly staying to clean up the mess we made. And that means fighting the insurgency long enough to build a stable government, and training their forces to do the job so we can leave them on their own.'... this is all too true and sad. unfortunately, everytime we clean a mess a new one gets made. the citizenry of iraq has fled. there is no economy there, there are no doctors, no shop keepers, no small business. the longer we stay to passify a civil war, the longer there will be war, there. the longer we there, the more death and destruction is casued.

'Americans are not the bad guys'... amen to that.

'we are taking care of what needs to be done.' our soliders are, but those in charge sadly are not. they are trying to save face at the expense of our men and women.

'How can you argue with this?' i just did.

Answer 4

With four years of hindsight, here are the facts. There are no WMD's, never were. Iraq and Saddam were not connected to Bin Laden or al-Qaida. Our government lied us into an invasion of a country that had nothing to do with nine-eleven. We weren't greeted as liberators but are now seen as occupiers. Saddam was a threat to his people not us or our country. President Bush has created a hotbed of insurgents and given them a focus point for their hatred, us. Iraq was better off with Saddam in power, we have done nothing positive for the country or its people. Facts, not fiction.

Answer 5

I can not argue with you because you were also smart enough to not fall for that liberal 9/11 conspiracy and to realize that we have a purpose of being in Iraq. You realize that we can not use diplomacy because the insurgents would not be willing to listen. for people who watch the news you here about how they make car bombs and things. thoose people do not listen they use war tatics. We are doing what is necessary to make them stable governmnet. I can not argue with you becasue you are right.

Answer 6

READ for a change please --

Cobra II is one of many excellent books on this subject

"tipped" in the intelligence community carries a great deal of responsibility.

This was an ENORMOUS strategic error that was foreseen by more than a few respected minds in the field. Words of warning from these people were ignored or worse SILENCED

READ!!

Answer 7

No, we were Not "tipped".
It was a "guess" and a bad one.

you also said "we are taking care of what needs to be done"
that is not a fact (at this time) we shall wait and see about that statement

Answer 8

Can't argue a bit. But your gonna get some left wing crap for asking a good question.