Are the libs who bash our troops and President helping the enemy?

Question

Al-Qaeda in Iraq could not challenge American troops directly. Their solution has been to target innocent Iraqis instead, to slaughter innocent Muslim men, women and children by the hundreds.

Why wouldn’t this cause outrage around the world? It did – but al-Qaeda calculated that in much of the West, the outrage would be directed less at them than at Americans for "stirring up a hornet's nest." And, as they also expected, images of death and destruction, coupled with reports of soldiers killed by roadside bombs, soon would erode the will of many Americans to continue the fight
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/CliffMay/2007/08/23/fighting_for_hearts,_minds_and_souls

gravedigger....here are just a few.
You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq.
John Kerry
“Our troops have become the enemy. We need to change direction in Iraq.”
John Murtha quote

Our troops have become the primary target of the insurgency, ... They are united against U.S. forces and we have become a catalyst for violence. The war in Iraq is not going as advertised. It is a flawed policy wrapped in illusion.”
John Murtha quote
“Absolutely, we're the target. We're the enemy, ... (The Iraqis) are a proud people, they've been around a lot longer than we have. They've going to win this themselves, they're going to settle this themselves. They have to, there's no alternative.”
John Murtha quote

I could come up with more but don't have time.

spleenwater....embolden our enemy.....SPLAT!!

honestamerican...yeah, and why did the President send sandy burger in to steal those classified papers...wait, that was the OTHER president.........never mind.

Answer 1

Spleenwater makes a very eloquent case for his viewpoint, but he's wrong. Here's why:

The worst offense the Libs make is their tacit alliance with terrorists. In a letter from Al-Zarkawi to his followers, the master terrorist implored his followers to hang on just a little longer. Although their cause seemed hopeless against such overwhelming firepower and determination from the U.S., inevitably stupid, naive "anti-war" demonstrators would derail support for continued military support of the Iraqi government, and the insurgents would win by default.

Now, think about this: Liberals read the Al Zarkawi letter. The letter plainly states the only way the insurgents can win is if stupid people protest the war; otherwise, they will not be able to prevail. The only reason the insurgency can get new recruits is that our vacillation gives them hope. New terrorists are recruited because they realize that any month now, the naive Liberals will start cutting funding for the American troops.

It's absolutely inexplicable. How can Liberals be so stupid?

Here's another way of looking at the situation: Imagine you are dumped in the middle of the ocean, and there's no land in sight. You have no idea where you are, you're scared, disoriented, and after what seems like endless days of seemingly pointless, exhausting effort, you just give up, and the sea claims yet another body. There is no point in fighting it, you know you are going to drown anyway.

In the second scenario, someone dumps you in the ocean, but your tormentors tell you that fishing boats cruise those waters every Monday and Thursday. Now you have a target to live for. You gather all your strength and focus your energy. You know you can survive until help arrives.

Did any Liberals reading this realize this is exactly what they are doing for the benefit of the terrorists? By announcing a date they can circle on their grimy Jihadist calendar, you are giving them exactly the kind of hope they need to keep getting new recruits.

Yes, Liberal idiocy is life-threatening. Too bad it's directed at the wrong people.

Answer 2

I don't like to out-and-out say this, but I have no reason to believe you are military. If you're a "Soldier fighting in Iraq" and you just got redeployed back to CONUS, I find it difficult you would have only 2 months to recover before redeploying, considering the entire SRP process is as long and agonizing as it is. Furthermore, if you're on leave, unless you're on emergency leave or convalescence leave, I very much doubt your Chain of Command would let you go for two whole months. If you have unit affiliation and places you have served, kindly state them. There's no need to dump all the information off your CAC card online, just the basics of where you've been and what MOS function you perform. That having been said, support for the C-in-C is entirely different from support for the troops. The President is ultimately a politician, who the people are entitled to vote in or out of office (and all you people complaining about Iraq need to be reminded the American public put him back in for a SECOND term when Iraq was really going down the tubes). It's not like the C-in-C has to kick down doors and man TCPs, so what's the big deal about linkage? He's near the end of his term anyhow. I'm pretty vocal about the fact that the C-in-C's entourage (Feith, Bolton, Wolfowitz, Bremer et al) have, through sheer malicious incompetence, pushed the nation to the edge of a cliff. America's miltary readiness suffers and it society is broken and divided. All the support we had in the aftermath of 9/11 from the world is more or less dead. The question "Why?" bears asking. And if you're a servicemember, you know and I know that none of us wearing the uniform should say a bad word about the C-in-C while he is in office, online or offline. I am scrupulous about adhering to the relevant regs. That doesn't mean a good well-meaning civilian (usually veteran) who cares about America (no, not the chronic anti-war activist who just hates America over ... everything, even Care Bears and Disney) can't call a spade a spade and say the war is being run into the ground. So as sick and tired as you may be, people will exercise their 1st Amendment rights, right or wrong. Version 1.1 Amendment rights on "Free speech with Intelligence" is not on the Bill of Rights. Stupidity has been present a self-selecting evolutionary factor in the human race for a while now. Get over it.

Answer 3

this has to be the most tired and overused neocon argument. advocating for a change in strategy against a non-traditional enemy is not declaring defeat. If you think that a traditional military force, however superior in numbers and technology, can win protracted engagement with guerrilla forces and civil unrest you are mistaken. Just look to Vietnam or the French war in Algeria for examples. America's military won the war in Iraq in less than 3 months. What is going on now cannot be won using a conventional military force. there are other choices between "cutting and running" and absolute and total military commitment that might actually be more effective.

i think if i hear another parrot say the phrase "embolden the enemy" one more time my head is going to explode. little cliche's like these just allow people to accept whole cloth concepts without any critical thinking.

Answer 4

"Al-Qaeda in Iraq could not challenge American troops directly. Their solution has been to target innocent Iraqis instead, to slaughter innocent Muslim men, women and children by the hundreds. "

Grats. You have just figured out the strategy of all terrorists and why direct military conflict is useless against such an enemy. Glad to see you are finally starting to think clearly.

Answer 5

Imagine we are at war with a tough enemy and we needed anything we could to go in our favor in order to win.

NOW imagine suddenly that after 2 years into such a war, the legislative body of our enemy were calling their own troops nazis, terrorists, stupid, and were having friendly meetings with our allies specifically to undermine their president and the war. Lets also imagine that such a congress of the enemy constantly argued that the war couldnt possibly be won and that they should resign to defeat and recall the troops as soon as possible. And even their own media in that country mostly backed the defeatists echoing their points in their newspapers in sheer hatred of the president.

What would we conclude about such a country? A. That it is divided. B. That it is pathetically weak. C. That president is your worst enemy. D. That that congress is your best friend because they are not united with the president following their own foreign policy and constantly advocating defeat and withdrawl. Such an enemy given enough resources is VERY defeatable.

People like him and Nancy Pelosi are politicians of the worst order that are willing to divide the govt during a time of war purely for their hatred of political enemies and their percieved political advantage.

Answer 6

They are somewhat. I have no doubt that the insurgency and Al Qaeda would love to turn the American people against America's policies and demand a troop pullout. How sad would that be when one of the largest militaries on the planet loses a war on account of its citizens not wanting it to fight it?

Answer 7

I don't see libs bashing the troops, unless you consider the call to bring them home "bashing".

And if some Americans don't like what the president's doing or saying, they have right and obligation to speak out. This will shock neocons, but the Constitution is more than words on paper. It was meant to be used. And if neocons were true Americans, they'd support libs right to speak without having to agree with the content. It's easy to support speech you like. But you dedication to our constitution is really put to the test when you hear speech you don't agree with.

Let al-Qaeda see how a democracy works: that you can speak out and not get shot or imprisoned. That speaks volumes around the world: more than any bomb or bullet can do.

Answer 8

I think the United States is in the right being in Iraq, I just don't like the policies of the Commander in Chief

Dittoheads think that makes me an evil liberal that helps out the terrorists but, whatever,

Answer 9

Why is it that people like you always link them together(troops and pres)?I bash the H*ll out of Bush because I think he deserves it!
9/11 happened on his watch!He and the GOP resisted any investigation into what really happened for more then a year!Then what did we get?Their theory of what happened!What really makes it seem crazy is that when the bridge collapsed a few weeks ago.....before the first body was dragged out of the Mississippi they were already talking about investigating it!

Answer 10

Being in Iraq at all is helping the enemy. They could never have asked for a better recruiting tool.