Let's end all welfare & have millions of street people everywhere?

Question

From single mothers and their children to the elderly who's pensions were bankrupted by the company they worked for.... to the veterans who were mentally broken from war...to the mentally handicapped ......etc.,etc.,etc.

Street people ...just like 2nd and 3rd world countries!!

Screw 'em if they can't function!

We, The United States of America can not do better!.....right?

Frank: I am a liberal Democrat and am asking a backhanded question.
This is what many Republicans are proposing!

asmith1022:where are they gonna work?

American business keeps moving out of the country!

We have millions of illegals doing the crap work for crap wages!

Where are they gonna work?

Answer 1

Kelly B,
That is a good question, and being a Libertarian, I can answer that question from the middle.

The welfare system is created by the government, with 'good' intentions. However, whenever the government creates something with 'good' intentions, the solutions that the government comes up with often creates more problems than if the problem was left to the people to handle it themselves. You may think that this is not the case. If so, show me one thing that the government did right, and had created less problems as a result?

Let me point out a few things: the social security, and the medicare funds were originally created to bail out down and outers or retirees. This is the biggest welfare system that the government had created. Even the government is admitting that by 2040 (approx. 30 years from now), the SS fund will be *kaput* - or bankrupt. That's the government's official admission. And they're not even talking about the medicare system. From the looks of it, medicare fund is even in a worse situation than the SS fund. Why? Because of rising medical costs, and because of 76 million baby boomers retiring, beginning next year. Does the government have a solution for it? I'd like to see one.

Now, had the government let the people handle their own financial situation themselves, these people won't be looking out for government handouts and would have done something productive. American people founded America out of essentially nothing, from their own labor and ingenuity. Don't ever discount the pioneer spirit of the American people. You will discover that American people are quite capable of taking care of themsleves, if the government didn't try to be a nanny all their lives.

We obviously cannot 'yank out the rug from under the feet' of the American people. If we are to overhaul the welfare system, we have to create practical solutions and alternatives to welfare and gradually wean the nannied people from the government hand-outs and allow them to live dignified, self-sufficient and productive lives. Also, if we try to overhaul the welfare system, we will need to overhaul the wealth-fare system that the bureaucrats, big corporations, and government officials have come to take for granted. All this pork barrel projects and fat cats must be skinned gradually as well.

Edit: by the way, since you asked where the jobs are, they're all in China and India and other third world countries. Why? Because labor is cheaper there, and the govt. does not tax foreign income of these companies that set up factories abroad. Because of the artificial 'minimum wage' system, and labor unions requesting higher pay, companies will find cheaper labor abroad. This is a very complex problem, and cannot be solved by creating more welfare or creating more legislation. This is one problem that won't go away by legislating the hell out of it.

Answer 2

I'd just like to point out that welfare or not, those people will end up on the street. The max amount for a family of for is $400 a month. And your income can not exceed $400 a month to qualify for the welfare. Everyone thinks that welfare is this free ride. It's not. It's similar to working for $1 an hour when bread costs $10. Not even worth it.

Answer 3

I am really anti welfare.
However ending it well end up costing society even more. How would that be?? Because people would start stealing etc just for the bare necessity. Just to have food to eat. That would make them criminals. Where do criminals go?? To jail! who foots the bill?? Tax payers. Now what to do with the child of the people in jail?? Social services. OF course now the children will need to see a shrink because of the trauma! who is footing the bill the tax payer. So we will still continue feeding and providing some sort of housing.and of course health care. However now we have to also to cover the pays of the people who are prison guards, more will be needed then we have now. We also have to pay the people who are watching over the children.
This might work much like the death row it's cheaper to keep a prison a live in jail the rest of his life then it is for him/her to to executed.
It's cheaper to provide welfare then it is to suffer the consequences of what would happen if it didn't exist.

Answer 4

I fully understand your despair Kelly, I have been there; but you, along with nearly everybody else need to understand one thing; (I suspect you probably know) benefits aren't there to feed people. Benefits exist to maintain the profit margins of the wealthy business owners, and to maintain a reserve army of labour in the event that society booms. That's why war is so necessary to capitalism; kill 'em off, destroy everything and create work for the ones that are left. Society booms, work for everybody, MORE PROFITS!!!!!! Let's face it Kelly, this society doesn't work, it is evil. There are nutters in charge, I'm sure it must be easy to cheat the democratic system, and the media constantly lies to everybody about everything. I too despair.

Answer 5

I live in an area that has about 250,000 people living here.

When Wal-mart put in the paper they were hiring, it had 90 openings. 55 of them were part-time only.

3,900 people showed up. Including me. I didn't see a lot of teenagers when I was there.

I will second the asker's other question. Where are these people going to work? Are there enough jobs out there for the people?

Answer 6

ADD: Sorry, I should have included the author: Franklin D. Roosevelt.

Words to live by:

"We are poor indeed if this nation cannot afford to lift from every recess of American life the dread fear of the unemployed that they are not needed in the world. We cannot afford to accumulate a deficit in the books of human fortitude."

"Better the occasional faults of a government that lives in a spirit of charity than the consistent omissions of a government frozen in the ice of its own indifference."

"The hours men and women worked, the wages they received, the conditions of their labor - these had passed beyond the control of the people, and were imposed by this new industrial dictatorship. The savings of the average family, the capital of the small-businessmen, the investments set aside for old age - other people's money - these were tools which the new economic royalty used to dig itself in."

"Those who tilled the soil no longer reaped the rewards which were their right. The small measure of their gains was decreed by men in distant cities."

The royalists of the economic order have conceded that political freedom was the business of the government, but they have maintained that economic slavery was nobody's business. They granted that the government could protect the citizen in his right to vote, but they denied that the government could do anything to protect the citizen in his right to work and his right to live.

Today we stand committed to the proposition that freedom is no half-and-half affair. If the average citizen is guaranteed equal opportunity in the polling place, he must have equal opportunity in the market place.

"These economic royalists complain that we seek to overthrow the institutions of America. What they really complain of is that we seek to take away their power. Our allegiance to American institutions requires the overthrow of this kind of power."

"In vain they seek to hide behind the flag and the Constitution. In their blindness they forget what the flag and the Constitution stand for. Now, as always, they stand for democracy, not tyranny; for freedom, not subjection; and against a dictatorship by mob rule and the over-privileged alike."

"The brave and clear platform adopted by this convention, to which I heartily subscribe, sets forth that government in a modern civilization has certain inescapable obligations to its citizens, among which are protection of the family and the home, the establishment of a democracy of opportunity, and aid to those overtaken by disaster."

"But the resolute enemy within our gates is ever ready to beat down our words unless in greater courage we will fight for them."

It worked then, I don't see why it can't work now.

Answer 7

yes, you'd make a fine republican, if republicans were all men and made of straw.
Even Limbaugh, who I think many would agree is an extreme mouthpiece, advocates welfare for those who are incapable of supporting themselves. Where I think most of the friction originates is in the bad choices many of us make, in living beyond our means.

response to oh really now:
Why bring in Brazilians? Look at the Dirty Wars, look at the leaderships behind them, look and you'll find School of the Americas alums. We have no need to create an artificial middle man, we are quite capable of training death squads ourselves.

Answer 8

Nobody is looking to end welfare for those who have earned it and need it. The issue has only been those able bodied people that live on welfare as an entitlement, too lazy to work.

Answer 9

ahh heck I'll just edit the entire thing, personally I love the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act, it sure beats the heck out of the last system we had, I don't think anyone wants to destroy all types of Welfare completely, but those who can work should be put to it. I don't want to pay for people to lay around all day. You would be shocked at the number of people who beat the system.


EDIT: That's funny because the unemployment rate is as low as it ever goes on average!! So is the inflation rates.

Answer 10

The problem, as many European nations discovered to their unhappiness, is that people who are poor and desperate can organize into some exceedingly unpleasant groups and overthrow the regime that doesn't care about them. It happened in Germany, it happened in Russia, it happened in China, and it very nearly happened in Britain in the early 1900's. You haven't seen a riot until you've seen a bread riot, kid. It ain't so funny.