Lets talk about the REAL child abuse issue on here, Victoria Climbie died of horrific injuries which social?

Question

services diagnosed as scabies, social services failed in such a shocking way that nobody would visit Victoria Climbie because they were afraid that they would catch scabies, despite the fact that the injuries were third degree burns. Now we hear about another child ONLY 18 MONTHS OLD who was killed in very mysterious circumstances (missing toenails etc) less than 5 miles from where Victoria climbie was murdered? Why don't people such as the people listed below have anything to say on this matter? INCLUDING BARBIE who is a trainee social worker.

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Answer 1

The tragic, and in my opinion, avoidable, death of Victoria Climbie did attract a massive criticism of Harangey social services department.
However there was not the degree of "Speculation" regard the guilt of the perps as it was so clear cut.
The amount of so called "discussion" with regard to the McCanns is fueled by the lack of anyone having been found guilty of her abduction/possable murder.
That and the fact that it is current news, the murder of Victoria Climbie being some considerable time ago and the tragic events of that case having been settled. I am not sure what Barbie being a trainee social worker has got to do with it and until the relative guilt of the Mccanns is established one way or the other it will, unfortunately, continue to attract at best discussion and at worst moronic vile speculation from the members of the ongoing hate campaign.

Answer 2

Victoria Climbie Injuries

Answer 3

I think the first such case of child cruelty/murder that really hit the headlines was that of Maria Colwell? That may be going back 15 yrs or even more, I can't remember precisely. Since then there seems to have been one case after another, one of the worst of which was Vicoria Climbe.

In each case Social Services got a hammering and I have been guilty myself of blaming them. However, recently I have read quite a bit about the serious shortage of staff both in Social Services and in the Probation Service. Staff are under appalling pressure just trying to juggle their caseloads let alone doing anything particularly constructive

These cases are just another symptom, along with knife and gun crime, violent attacks on innocent people and indiscriminate yobbery,
which are so blighting our once pleasant country.
Whilst the government and the courts continue to treat offenders with kid gloves, recruit for idiotic posts in the public sector like '5 a day coordinators', whilst ignoring the plight of the front line services such as two I have mentioned, the situation will continue and probably get worse.

Answer 4

So you are saying that it is Social Service's responsibility to DIAGNOSE medical conditions? Please.

The Victoria Climbie case was horrific, and there was no excuse for what was done to her, but I notice that you don't place the blame on the people who actually perpetrated the abuse do you?

How many cases do you hear about in the Press where Social Services do things right? None, because good news does not sell as well as bad news, obviously. I have seen firsthand the good that they can and do do for many, many children in my area.

If you are so convinced that being a Social Worker is so bloody easy then why don't you go and train for years to do the job yourself? It's very easy to point out the faults in the system, but do you have the compassion and strength to join the system yourself? I don't think so, you have to have an open mind to do a job like that. You don't seem to be remotely qualified.

Get off your soapbox.

Answer 5

lets talk real child abuse issue victoria climbie died horrific injuries social

Answer 6

i really don't understand why you have such an obsession with this list of people...but i don't want to get into that, none of my business.
any way back to your question..Every year in this country 1000's of children are abused,neglected and murdered by people who are supposed to love them and protect them from harm..we all know only to well that this is not the case and there are lots of children who suffer horrifically at the hands of their parents or carers..only a small of these cases come to public attention unfortunately when it is to late as we have seen in the recent weeks with the baby you have mentioned dying.
On the defence of Social Services,we only hear of the cases which have gone badly wrong,,as with everything in life things do slip through the net,we don't hear about the 1000's of success stories.
I know there are lessons to be learnt and with the death of Victoria Climbie and the development of the 'every child matters' scheme ,this should not be happening in our society,red tape and policies have a lot to do with things as well.

I also think that each and ever person in this country should look out for the children in our neighbourhoods and not be afraid to report anything suspicious to the relevant authority.
Everybody has a duty to protect children because without them there is no future..

Answer 7

This case was of course tragic but I am not willing to fully pin the blame on social services. They are damned if they do and damned if they don't in most cases. Fact of the matter is we shouldn't NEED a department like Social Services but we do because this isn't a rose coloured world and there are evil bastards out there.

It is the parents job to protect their child and I would to the death but not all parents are programmed that way. Some people who are left responsible for a child do disgusting things when they should just hand the child over to the authorities.

We now have a multi-agency approach. The buck doesn't stop with any one person - if you come in contact with a child and you suspect something is untoward it is your responsibility to report your suspicions. That means neighbours, friends, family, shop keepers, bus drivers, teachers, dinner ladies and even me, librarians have a duty of care to all kids. Don't turn a blind eye - if you see something wrong report it, don't assume someone else has.

We have had training in this through my job. Pretty sad in this day and age that a librarian should have to keep an eye out for abuse but you would be shocked at the amount of parents who have no idea where their young kids are. Luckily a lot choose to spend hours at a time playing on the computers in the library - I dread to think what the rest are up to.

Answer 8

I followed the Victoria climbie case quite closely - it breaks my heart every time I see her smiling from those beautiful pictures of her when she first arrived in this country. I saw one of the last pictures taken of her at hospital before she died and it was quite horrific.

I have mentioned what happened to her in some of my postings, esp the failing of Haringay Council and the NSPCC who failed to protect her, but I guess that she is never mentioned because the case was a long time ago and people and move on, whereas the McCanns are more present and topical.

Answer 9

I think it is a terrible case, as is in my opinion are ALL cases of child neglect and abuse. It makes me so upset as a woman whos greatest wish is to be a mum, but is unable to be thanks to cervical cancer!

However, listing people who have a strong view on the McCann case, is not helping is it? I think you will find that although they do have a lot to say one way or another, regarding the McCann case, they are ALL anti child neglect and child abuse. Unfortunately, the reason it gets such strong debate on YA is because of the way the parents have put and kept this case in the limelight. It is wrong in my opinion when there are so many other terrible cases of child neglect and abuse in the world. If the McCanns weren't glorifying this so much, then Im sure there would not be so much debate on here about it. It is very uncharacteristic. In most cases, parents of a missing child would be very quiet, out of the limelight and left to grieve, that you would think would be normal.

I only hope and pray that Madeleine is found safe and well, and that we dont hear any more stories of child neglect or abuse. I somehow think with the world we live in, that is not possible unfortunately.

Answer 10

child abuse happens everyday. sad but true. with the victoria climbie case there was a full enquiry and her death brought about changes within the social services structure, there is now a multi agency approach so other services know and can cross reference with other services regarding a persons care. you make a valid point but the first person who answered makes a better point. its not current news and has reached a conclusion, the mccann case is current news and hasnt come close to reaching a conclusion.