Why are women who aren't submissive?

Question

Being a woman encompasses many different things and every woman is different.
So why are some men under the impression that they can be strong and have the right to voice their opinions and it's all good, but women can't be strong, for fear of being labelled unfeminine and unlady-like?
The definition of a lady is-
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A well-mannered and considerate woman with high standards of proper behavior.
A woman regarded as proper and virtuous.
A well-behaved young girl.
(http://www.answers.com/topic/lady)
Even if women act in a lady-like manner as quoted above, it doesn't make any sense that because she voices her opinion or refuses to be submissive that she isn't a lady.
Thoughts?

Get stuffed manbeast. Like I said, you're an idiot and that's putting it politely.
As for 2nd poster, I'm not 'stuffing' anything down anyones throat, I'm asking in a nice way why women have to put up with this bs.

Answer 1

Gender attitudes strongly reflect the culture of the family of origin. Women were very strongly suppressed historicaly. They were also blamed for the lustful thoughts males had. The wanton behavior of the female just so excited the male, that he had to do what he did. The right to vote: granted in 1917. The right to own property independent from her husband was legal in only a few states until the first world war. War, while being a display of strategized destruction, is also impartial. Inovations of war machinery spilled over into the civilian population. Consumer goods such as stoves, refrigerators, automobiles, laundry tools, etc etc etc. There is no way of knowing what, when, and if a strong effort to design innovation because it was fun to try to improve a product already in use.
Anyway, there is a lot of polarity between conservative fundamentalists, and other strong protestent religions and members of our society who believe that everyone has the same value on this earth. If just one person that is now here didn't come here, the world would be different.
Power is very seductive. The ruling philosophies are still controled by males. I would have a problem relinquinshing that power if I were a boy.
It will take about 10 more years before the value of gender is equal. Older women are becoming more independent. The next generation is already creating change in the job market. More women are specializing in physics, astronomy, engineering geology, geophysics, agronomy, the green sciences, genetics, banking, marketing, just to name a few. My opinion regarding the womens movement is that: women had no image to identify with in male dominated position. When it became law to hire a women if she was the most qualified, at the rate of pay offered to boys. A large proportion of females adopted male behavior. They wore really tailored attire. Their attitude was harsh and sometimes, downright nasty. Eventually, women got tired of the charade, and began to soften up. The progression of dressing in male inspired attire to less tailored attire, then to the gradual softening of attitude, attire, approach, technique, and when the girls began to return to being girls, they moved quickly into leadership positions. Most working females, across our nation are content to be women. The understanding that males and females, functioning as equals, is not a threat to male sense of self. Oh sure, there will always be the hard nosed faction, but they will be left in the dust.

Answer 2

This is an excellent question, and the first few answers reinforce the point of it. As soon as Simone behaves in the slightest way assertive, these men say she is "misandrist" (so very NOT true) and that she is "stuffing" her idea down people's throats. Also very inaccurate.

She has been extremely polite and respectful in asking this question, but because its content makes them uncomfortable, they slap some undesirable labels on her.
I suppose, in the definition of "lady" we could argue on what "proper" behavior is.... I'm sure that we'd find some men define it narrowly, and that any behavior they disagree with is not proper and therefore unladylike.

Guys - if you like submissive women, that's fine.... If you dislike assertive women - also fine... but there is no reason to insult and demean a person simply because you disagree with them. Treat us with the same respect you give each other and you'll find a HUGE improvement in gender relations.

Answer 3

Simone take it easy dear lady.

Notice i call you and regard you as a lady and are you anyhting but strong though emotional eh??

A lady is all that you said but she is strong and stands up for herself but there is a differnece she does it with dignity and thats important.

And she can be submissive also to the man she loves but that doesent mean she has to , it is because she wants to.

Lady doesent mean perfection because she is a human and a woman but someone who spires to those ideals.

You know i have read all your questions and its impossible to think you hate men infact its quite the opposite.

Glad to have a sweet friend like you my dear.

Answer 4

Thats the whole point. Many women on here have watered down the therm "submissive". I have the impression that some call any woman who is not a leech, contributes to the relationship, isnt mouthy and generally impossible to be with, in other words, any woman that is a better pick than they are is "submissive".
Of course you can be a lady and a contribute to the relationship and still have and voice an opinion. Voice not rant and scream.
Beeing submissive doesnt mean to be pleasant to be with. Its just their way to rationalize that many Americans men are looking for more pleasant and productive partners outside America. Of course they do not want good women, they want submissive women, that way they dont have to admit to themselfs they are such a bad pick.

Answer 5

Why not let other women alone rather than try to ram it down their throat. Who says women are labelled? There are many more definitions of a lady. Even in your definition it doesn't state that a woman has to be submissive or can voice an opinion.

You won't like this answer I know

Answer 6

Individuals who have not matured sufficiently intellectually or emotionally will react in a child like manner to any opinion they don't agree with. Mature adults who are emotionally secure are open to others opinions and treat these with respect. In this forum you are dealing with a lot of sick, emotionally unstable people who have no other venue to voice their frustration at their own inadequacies.

Answer 7

You just said men don't want women to voice their opinions.

That is misandry. This is a misandrist question.

You're equating well-mannered, considerate, well behaved with not voicing an opinion or being strong. Sorry, but unless not voicing an opinion or being strong is on the list, then it's err not on the list.

Besides, women aren't held to the standard of being a lady today, but with the caveat that men must not be held to the standard of being a gentleman, which if you look up the definition for that has a pretty similar description.

Answer 8

i am 100% behind cassius what he says makes sense.