Would Libs argue that the jet stream flows westward if?

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that had to be true for one of their positions to be right?

Based on some of the economics discussions on this board I think they would.

Thomas you speak as if that wealth were in a back room safe like in a Dickens novel - it's invested in businesses that create jobs.

And you speak as if it were the same half a percent year in and year out.

And you speak as if it weren't also true that the whole PIE has grown so much that we ALL have more.

Would you rather be better off or worse off than you are? Why does it matter how well you're off RELATIVE to someone else if in the absolute, you're better off relative to where you were before?

The top 1% are richer - but you need only so much to "live the life" - and more people have it than was the case a generation ago.

outcrop I don't hate "all things different from me" I hate ALTERNATE REALITIES THAT PEOPLE LIKE YOU MAKE UP WHEN REALITY DOES NOT SUPPORT THEIR CONCLUSIONS!

I hate INTELLECTUAL DISHONESTY!

I hate it when people say the increase in number of poor people means that people are moving down even though that increase is a fraction of the increase in number of poor illegals coming here.

I hate when people against certain policies compare relative incomes of two groups both of whose incomes (yes, inflation-adjusted) rose faster than they were rising before those policies were put in place.

I hate the fact that they leave out the mobility between the two groups - how they compare young/inexperienced with older/experienced workers' incomes and pretend they were talking about permanent classes.

I hate people who point out that the middle class is smaller without pointing out where those households went - UP.

I hate people who insist that the unemployment rate is inaccurate because it doesn't count people whose benefits have run out, when it has NOTHING to do with benefits.

Why make things up when you can LOOK them up?????

bbbbrigggs are you freaking SERIOUS?

OK superpolitics, this is another example of what I mean "tax cuts / deficits" - tax REVENUE is WAY UP.

"the middle class barely keeping their head above water"

What are you TALKING about?????

Kevorkian, they do it all the time on this board. The whole class warfare thing is completely bogus. About a quarter of the bottom 10% are students living on their own and working at Store 24 to pay the day to day bills and another third are immigrants few of whom will be in the bottom 10% a decade later.

Of the bottom 20%, over 85% will be in a higher "quintile" a decade later. More - 15% - will make it to the TOP 20%, than will still be in the bottom.

But you hear about these groups as if they were largely permanent groups.

Every SHRED of data - and there are mountains of it - says otherwise.

I'm not saying poverty doesn't exist - I'm saying that we've clearly shown that a freer economy enables more people to move up, and it creates a larger class of people who are affluent, which you need to fund programs for the few who remain poor.

And if you keep importing poor people, that's going to bring up the poverty number and bring down the median income.

Answer 1

Only if Al Gore or Michael Moore made a movie showing that's the case.

Answer 2

Nope. Obama is not doing what I have wanted for decades; he would have a long way to go before that happened. But you can keep thinking he's a liberal. Actually, history has not shown countless times how wrong liberals are about everything. The stimulus bills have worked/are working, although they should have been more robust at the beginning. Unless you, being so erudite about the economy, have a better idea of what should have been done to stop the economic free fall?

Answer 3

I see just how good conservative economics in this country is currently working, with the housing market down, mortgage forecloses, the middle class barely keeping their head above water, the buying power of the dollar down, stagnate wages.
Have conservative economics ever worked for anyone other than the top 3%.
People on the right always say work hard and you'll make good of yourself, but then on the other hand they try their hardest to keep you down.

Answer 4

I suppose in a mirror-immage universe the left would be right and the jet stream would flow to the west.

But, no, even Liberals aren't foolish enough to take a demonsterably false, easily verified, simply understood position. A false, but complicated and difficult to evaluate position, OTOH, is ideal for any politician. ;)

Answer 5

The U.S. public just keeps on borrowing money. It is easy to blame the consumer for borrowing beyond their means. However, most consumers go into debt to buy the stuff they do need. A high rate of consumer debt ad personal bankruptcy is for medical expenses and college expenses. Most alarmingly, the United States government continues handing out tax cuts to the rich while borrowing billions overseas to finance its illegal war in Iraq and other attempts at imperialist expansion.

When George W. Bush says he is exporting democracy, he means he is imposing neo-liberalism by brute force on countries rich in natural resources that neo-liberalism needs to survive. This cowboy "let's just take it" mentality is failing in Iraq. Michael Schwartz in "Neo-liberalism on crack: cities under siege in Iraq" (Stony Brook University, June 1, 2006) writes,

Neo-liberal economic reforms have created the 21st Century slum city, with its extensive shanty-towns, degraded public services, and hyper unemployment. Small pockets of the privileged maintain a life style that resembles the ideal of capitalist prosperity, but an increasing proportion are deprived of the accoutrements of modern life: reliable electricity, clean water for drinking and for bathing, a livable diet, a habitable dwelling, and a viable connection to the economic life of the nation. In Iraq, even during the hellish combination of Saddamist rule and UN sanctions, most Iraqis kept this connection, albeit in constantly degrading circumstances. With the arrival of the Americans, conditions in the cities turned more steeply downward. And with the rise of the post-invasion war, they went into free fall.

Perhaps you should just your name to "Opinion is back" Truth is relative to the listener, and the facts they are ready to accept.

Answer 6

Not only would they argue that it flows westward, they would blame that fact on Bush and Rove, because a westward flowing jet stream benefits only the rich.

Answer 7

how's that economics and other relevent info blog coming along? seriously. i'm just an armchair economist, but i think the jet stream flows eastward.

i'd like to ask you a question about Countrywide. please email me so I can respond with me question, thanks.

Answer 8

yes if john stewart directed them to think so
or cnn ]or abc , or cbs
or npr or for that matter
the bbc

Answer 9

Your hatred of all things differnt form you is duly noted...

Did some big, mean liberal bully (most likely a female) make you wet your pants in grade school?

Answer 10

Just curious....does it make you feel more important when you come out here to YA! with your notoriously anti-liberal questions? Guess what...you are less significant than you believe.