Is being a modern liberal also constitute being an enabler of bad behavior?

Question

Enable
**drug users by giving them disability benefits
**alcoholics by giving them a disease title
**welfare recipients - buying their votes by keeping them oppressed and dependant
**Hollywood - PROMOTES immorality and deviance

The list is longer but you get the picture.
Nothing good comes of this.
Do they just need TOUGH LOVE and Consequences - not enabling?

diabetic lax playa™- my Dad had cancer and that is a disease. He did not get to CHOOSE not to have it.
Alcoholics and Drug Addicts CHOOSE that behavior and I will NOT call it a disease. They need help - yes...but I will not ENABLE them by giving their chosen addiction the TITLE of disease.

Answer 1

That is an excellent analogy.

Answer 2

I would take issue with you claims. Alcoholisim wasn't titled a disease by a group of liberals but by doctors, so you should take that up with the medical establishment. Buying welfare votes? If that's true then conservatives buy the support of big business through tax cuts and by easing regulations (donate some cash to the Republican party? Sure you can dump waste into the lake!) So if that's true, it cuts equally both ways and big business has alot more influence then poor people, they also get much more of the taxpayers money, unless you think a mom on welfare is doing as well as the boys over at Halliburton?
Hollywood? How exactly is that liberals fault? Hollywood is a capitalist enterprise that makes money by giving the people schlock, evidently enough people want to see schlock, so schock continues to be made. Are you suggesting that liberals are guilty of supporting a capitalist enterprise? I've yet to see a single mainstream conservative that calls for censoring Hollywood movies.

Answer 3

YOU don't have to give addictions the name "disease"; learned doctors have already done it for you. Now, if you don't believe them, that's your right, just as it would be your right to think that the world was flat---but it wouldn't be the smart thing to say!

Welfare recipients do not vote for the people who "give" them benefits--except those who receive corporate welfare. Now those guys know which side their toast is buttered on--because they are the people who "buy" the politicians into office in the first place!

I don't know why you spend SO much time talking about welfare---Much more of your money has gone into the pockets of the already filthy rich, and into the stupid, uncalled for, unwinnable "war" in Iraq. (Isn't it funny that we've gone there to "give them freedom", yet our freedoms are being stripped from us daily????) "Welfare" no longer exists! You can only receive aid for FIVE YEARS, TOTAL---and that includes women who may have been married, were suddenly divorced or widowed, and may have already had "10 legitimate kids by ONE father". I pity the poor children who cannot benefit from having a home with a mother in it all day, those who have to be cared for by minimum wage employees in a "day care" situation, so that their mothers can go to work--which they HAVE to do in order to receive ANY aid!!!

And Hollywood??? Do you never, ever, ever watch movies??? Give me a break. If you don't like it, don't see it or buy it. Who gives are darn what those folks think, anyway? Are you all hung up on the "news" about Brittney and all the other sleazy H-wood kids??? Maybe you should watch some real news, and stop buying into this shtick!

Answer 4

no, and addiction is a disease. you do not choose not to be able to stop. you do not choose to have a dependence.
I know addicts and I've studied addiction. it is a sickness.

people who use welfare should use it, get their lives in order, and stop. we created welfare to help people, not enable. my mother was on welfare. she went back to school and got a job during that time. you can't force people to make good choices.

hollywood is about entertainment. and we can't discuss morals on here. I've meet many conservatives who think ignoring science and hating people are good morals.
morals vary by person and by group.

tough love is fine for some people. but most people in this nation get no love. typically the people who do good with tough love are people with easy lives- it balances things. when someone has a tough life, they don't need tough love.

Answer 5

Get rich quick schemes in the capitalist business world, such as buyouts, IPOs, conglomerates, acquisitions, mergers, and the stock market do not actually work.

Remaining solvent does not actually exist within false economics capitalism.

Pathological lying about profit existing in the capitalist business world, or millionaires existing within capitalism, is deception committed by the 21 organizations spying on the public with plain clothes agents, (with covert fake names, fake backgrounds, and fake property).

Actual economics involves the persons paying the monthly business loan payments of companies owning the companies, and voting at work in order to operate the companies they are paying for.

Capitalism is the psychology of imaginary parents, false economics, and criminal deception of employees that are paying the bills (including the stocks and bonds, or shares) of companies.

Anti-democracy republicanism is the psychology of imaginary parents, and false government.

Answer 6

I do not agree with the drug benefits but alcoholism IS a disease. It is an actual chemical addiction in the brain. Welfare benefits everyone by keeping people off of the streets and alive. We are not "buying" voters but would you rather vote for someone who is going to A. help you if you need it or B.completely ignores you when you need help and could care less about what happens to you. I would take choice A. Hollywood...some good, some bad. By the way everyone can live their life the way they want and what you are stating as "immoral" and "bad" is only your definition. Someone else my not think those things to be "immoral." Sometimes people need help...you can not just forget about them and let them starve to death and die on the streets....that is not tough "love"...that is cruel. I don't understand why your mentality is I will show remorse or sympathy for NO ONE. I don't care who the person is or the situation...I will not help them. Those who are born into unfortunate situations or are too poor to go to college but were accepted in but since they can't get in they get minimum wage and they will never get enough money to get into college...well that is their fault.?A man has dyslexia and he cannot get a good job...lets show him some some tough love and let him live on a park bench. You cannot leave these people behind or America will suffer. There will be more DEAD people. Dead from starvation or living on the street. I don't care if they made mistakes in their life. No one deserves to die like that. Everyone deserves food, shelter and some money until they can get back on their feet again or so that they can feed their families. Yes people choose to drink....no they do not choose to become addicted. I knew a man who drank one bottle of beer and then he became hooked...just like that. He started drinking more and more and he could not stop himself. This man's vodka was hidden from him but he found it. He said he wanted to stop but he could not control himself. His brain told him he needed alcohol to survive...it was not his choice to become addicted.

Answer 7

Conservatives promote bad behavior by voting for liars and corrupt politicians.

Nobody gets disability for drug abuse, alone.

The AMA defined alcoholism a disease in the 50s. The AMA is hardly a liberal organization. When I see MD after your name, I will give you the credibility of defining a disease.

Drug addiction and alcoholism are non partisan. There are just as many conservatives as liberals afflicted. Thank God that AA, NA and other 12 step programs do not get involved with outside issues. It is one place where people help their fellows without divisive politics tearing them apart.

Welfare for the rich in forms of farm subsidies, giveaways of resources on public lands, and bailouts of airlines, S&Ls and every other corporate loser buys votes and enables more corruption and larceny.

This Left Coast liberal, who was born in Hollywood is strong enough to form my own morals and could care less what the latest Enquirer scandals are.

Answer 8

The tough love will come to those who believe and follow a code of personal responsibility if these idiots gain complete control of our country.

The enemy is within, and its name is Socialism/Democrats

Answer 9

What you don't know could fill a warehouse!

I am a recovering alcoholic. I have been through A.A., rehabilitation both inpatient and outpatient, and drug and alcohol education. I have books, articles, pamphlets and most importantly life experience that tells me beyond the shadow of a doubt that addiction most certainly is a disease. My father's mother was an alcoholic. My mother's brother was an alcoholic and a drug addict. I was the lucky one to inherit the gene. My brother rarely ever takes a drink and has never so much as sampled drugs. However, he weighs in at just under 375 pounds these days, so I think he understands addiction more than he admits.

Alcoholics Anonymous has lasted nearly a century helping people cope with the disease of addiction... a disease which has been recognized as chronic by the AMA and of which there is no cure, only treatment. Neither the AMA nor A.A. can really be targeted as "liberal" organizations. A.A. has never once enabled anyone who comes in through its many doors. Tough love is the cornerstone of 12 step groups. They don't wean you off the drugs or teach you maintenance... they tell you the only way to treat your addiction is to stop using the substance at once, no exceptions. Have you ever been to an A.A. meeting? Have you ever seen the amount of hope in someone's eyes once they've first accomplished 30 days of sobriety? Or sixty days? Or a year? Have you ever seen someone break down the first time they admit they are powerless over their addiction? What in the name of God does any of this have to do with Hollywood or liberals?

I usually take your musings with a grain of salt these days. Truthfully I don't think you're a bad person, just dramatically misled. But you've really offended me by this post because this hits home. I've had to admit to my liberal parents that I was an alcoholic. That I had lost jobs due to my drinking. I had borrowed money from them under false pretenses just to support my drinking habit. I lied, I cheated, I hurt people, I hurt myself.

I did NONE OF THIS because I was a liberal or because my parents enabled me. They never drank in front of me until I was in my late teens and even then it was never to excess. They raised me in a decent Christian home and taught me to stay away from drugs and alcohol. I drank when I got to college, just like my brother and sister before me. Neither one of them are alcoholics. I am. Do you think it's because I have less self-control then they do? Or do you think it might be because my body manifests alcohol differently because of a gene or a chemical imbalance?

If you want to throw stones at Hillary in desperation over her eminent victory next November, fine. If you want to call every Muslim a terrorist just because it gives you comfort in your own sense of self-satisfaction, great. If you want to blame Hollywood for children who misbehave because parents seem to drop kids more for fashion than for raising a family, good for you. But don't you EVER go after alcoholics and drug addicts like you're better than they are. Don't you throw stones at my brothers and sisters in this disease... be they in recovery or active addiction. You don't know us, you wouldn't condescend yourself to understand us and you don't get the right to judge us.

The consequences of alcoholism... just in case you're wondering if I ever learned any... are death, a wasted life, loss of employment, loss of your home, your car, and your freedom. And there's also all of those judgmental pricks out there who will point their finger at you years after you've cleaned up and make you think it's your fault.

It's my fault I took the first drink. The rest was out of my hands and it was only God's grace that helped me get clean. How's that for a liberal comment?

Answer 10

Who enables Catholic priests to continue being the world's most prevalent child molesters?

Hollywood indulges in immorality and deviance because thats what people buy and thats what makes them money. If movies about being a good little Christian tool sold well, thats what they would make. If you want to blame anyone blame the people who BUY Hollywood's stuff, who are without a doubt just as often conservative as they are liberal, if not moreso if the stereotypical "red states" are any indicator!

Drug users, like Rush Limbaugh for instance? Why the hell do *I* have to pay for a rehab program for people who are weak minded enough to get hooked on that stuff? (said with sarcasm of course, as it could happen to anyone).

Answer 11

The first step in the acquisition of wisdom is silence.

Please try to practice what you preach and SHUT THE HELL UP, you might actually learn something.

How about when one of your kids becomes an addict, will you watch them die as part of your tough love?