Pete Rose - Hall of Fame??

Question

We all know Pete bet on baseball. Is MJ hall of fame material too? He too bet on sports!! Do we give him grief about getting in as well or let it slide because he's MJ?

Answer 1

To tell you the truth, this is a place where I think baseball has it all wrong. I think regardless of his indiscretions you have to put the guy in. HE'S THE ALL TIME HITS KING. Enduct him in infamy, put a story to it, but he has to go in. Same with Bonds when it hits the fan with him. There are going to be a lot of people saying he shouldn't go in and I think that is insane. Not all history is good history, but we still need to acknowledge it. Plus it would be fitting for Bonds to be in the hall of fame displaying a tainted legacy.

I do agree with everybody else, there really is no comparison to MJ. It was totally a completely different situation.

Answer 2

I have never heard that Jordan bet on basketball games he was involved in.

It's a simple rule, DON'T BET ON BASEBALL, if you do, then you get banned. What's so hard about that.

Why does he have to have a plague in the HOF for people to remember (fondly if you will) his 4,256 hits?
If you let him in, then you are saying Pete Rose is bigger than baseball, and that's not right.

There are two things you have to follow. The letter of the law and the letter of baseball law.
In the Bonds case, steroids weren't illegal in baseball, but they were in US law (without a prescription).

In the US, gambling may not be illegal (although I don't know about the legality of how Rose did it), but it was against baseball rules.

And let's not start making exceptions because of what players mean to people. I accept that people think that Rose was a great hitter, I disagreee, I think he was good, but really, he was a .303 hitter that hit singles and doubles. He has the hit record because of longevity, not skill. And yes he hustled, why? Because if he didn't, he wouldn't have stayed in baseball, he would have been a used car salesman.

If Tony Gwynn had started young enough, he could have broken Rose's record because he was a much better hitter.

So, no, Rose needs to stay on the outside looking in or that sends a message to everyone else that they can break the rules and have no lasting consequences.

Answer 3

It has never been proved, or to my knowledge even hinted at, that Jordan bet on basketball. Pete Rose violated the most sacred rule in all of baseball when he chose to bet on games. It does not matter if he only bet as a manager, or that he only bet on his team to win. There are no gray areas when it comes to the enforcement of this rule - the punishment is being put on the permanently ineligible list. If Rose had chosen to bet on football or horse racing or in the casinos, he would have not put himself in this position. And to anyone that would say that he made a mistake, i would suggest you look up the definition of mistake. Rose deliberately bet, he did not "accidentally" call a bookie and put money on games. As good a player as he was, he is, in my opinion, the one retired player who is least deserving of induction into the hall. He decided that he was bigger then the game, that he wouldn't get caught, whatever, and now he will have to live with it.
And if it were to ever be proven that Jordan bet on NBA games while he was active as a player, or even now in his front office capacity, he too should be removed from the game and the hall permanently as well. But, as much as Jordan perhaps made some poor decisions when it came to his gambling, I seriously doubt he would be as arrogant or stupid as to think he could get away with it.

Answer 4

Pete Rose deserves to be in the Hall of Fame as a player. He had more hits than anyone and gave 100% all the time. What he did wrong was done as a manager, not as a player. There are many guys in the Hall who were less than righteous citizens. If Bonds and McGwire get in, then Rose needs to get in. No one is more deserving than he is, and when I grew up I hated him because he was on the opposing team so I have no loyalty to him except I admire his style and talent. I understand that Rose always bet on the Reds. I've heard that MJ would bet on anything including $100,000 on a hole of golf.

Answer 5

The difference is that MLB has a rule calling for lifetime disqualification for betting on baseball, while the NBA does not have an equivalent.

I don't know that MJ ever bet on NBA games that he was involved in. If he did, he never signed a statement admitting that he did so but Rose did just that.

Answer 6

Everyone has said the same truth, MJ didn't bet on his own team. He didn't lie to the entire world either. Pete Rose would have been forgiven if he would have apologized from the beginning.

Answer 7

Pete will not go to the hall...MJ gamble at the casino he didn't bet on his team like Pete did while he was player manager.

Answer 8

MJ didnt bet on his own games. (at least there is no evidence of it) Pete Rose has to come clean and be sincere, and apologize. But even then, its too late for all the years he was in denial.

Answer 9

He bet on his own games.Jordan never even bet on basketball.
Plus the fact that Pete Rose is an asshole doesn't help.

Answer 10

Rose (repeatedly) broke a rule (and it happens to be one of the REALLY IMPORTANT ones). Bad decision. Bad consequences as a result.

I know very little about Jordan's circumstances, but the notion of letting it slide "because it's Mike" is the worst sort of privilege there is. That some do get it is no reason to propagate such. Jordan doesn't deserve it. Rose certainly doesn't deserve it.