"Well believe this. Evolution can not explain how chemical life became biological life. For there to be evolution, there has to be reproduction. For there to be reproduction, there has to be DNA instructing the assembly of the reproduced cell(s). DNA does not itself independently reproduce. It can not "evolve" independent of the cell reproduction. So the question remains, how could chemicals assemble into biological life, and moreover, how could biological life reproduce without DNA HAVING to be present before the first cell of life ever could evolve. The questions concerning DNA and the first chemical state have had the effect re-introducing the "chicken and egg" conundrum for evolutionists. DNA,..very much the hallmark of intelligence, had to be present initially. Hmm,..how DID it get there? Even the most ardent evolutionist are having trouble wrangling with that one at present."
For all you stubborn evolution believers
And for the guy above me...Evolution was never "proven"
Its just a theory. Ever heard of the "laws of gravity"? Well that used to be a theory. But now they have additional data that can measure the bending of light due to the forces of gravity. There is no "Law of Evolution" and may never be and until it is...it is just a THEORY. And dont go telling Ben what he doesnt undersatnd...Because you sure have some hard evidence (being sarcastic)
2007-08-12 20:29:23
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answered by 1.20.13 Change we can believe in 2
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Once again sauce, pretty much owned an ignorant questioner/troll??? But because 2 points are so valuable to me ill re-state your ignorance.
-"If we evolved from chimps, monkeys, or whatever these people claim we evolved from then...?" These people are Doctors as in PhD. As in genuises. And its a common ancestor not evolved from. Share a common answer.
-"How come there are still chimps and monkeys?" Common ancestor
-"Wouldnt they have evolved with the rest of us humans if we are some superior race?" Everything is evolvong
-"And why aren't we still evolving?" We are. Our hieght, brain capacity is all increasing. So thats evolution right there.
-"And another thing I don't get...How did everything on earth evolve into the complex organisms from a single cell." First look up endosymbiotic theory. Then read about colonial signaling. That should be enough for now seeing how you wont do either.
-"I mean seriously...for example how do things as complex as the human body work so perfect" Were not perfect. We get bad vision, organs go bad. Its genetics that controls thing like that.
-"I'm sorry but things like that didnt just happen" The earths been around for at least 3billion years. So theres a lot of time for stuff to happen.
-"They were CREATED!!!! and I think Evolution in a bunch of crock..." And so are you
-"SO LETS HEAR SOME NEGATIVE FEEDBACK!!!!!!!!" Intelligent, thoughtfut. Not negative. Although possible highly critical to the point of rudeness.
2007-08-12 17:12:51
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answered by MyNameAShadi 5
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Here is what your question boils down to. See if you can find the absurdity in it.
"I don't understand it so it can't be true."
By your argument, one person's ignorance outweighs the evidence of millions of researchers who have worked for over a century to actually try to figure out the world we live in instead of invoking magic.
What next? Are you going to argue in the physics forum that gravity is wrong because I bet you don't understand Newtonian physics much less general relativity. Are you going to tell your radiologist that your MRI scan is a fake because you don't understand quantum theory?
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It is the fault of educators and scientists that the public is so scientifically illiterate such as the person below who does not even know the definitions of basic words as used in science.
Science is not a body of knowledge. It is not a collection of facts and "Truths." Scientists try not to use the word truth. Science is a method of thinking used to figure things out. What the practitioners of science do is to take observations (sometimes called facts), create a model that explains those observations (hypothesis), figure out the consequences (predictions) of the model and then design experiments that test the predictions (falsifiable). Experiments can not prove something is true. An experiment only shows if a hypothesis is false or if it is consistent with the hypothesis. You can never prove any theory to be true so to bring that up only shows your lack of understanding of how scientists think.
Evolution is a fact. There is no dispute to the existence of evolution. Evolution is simply a change in allele frequency in a population with time. You might as well dispute that sun gives off light. What people have problems with is what drives evolution. The old explanation is magic. The old explanation for everything is magic. There's a whole string of deities up to the current ones that are responsible for everything. Modern biology on the other hand uses the theory of Evolution by Natural Selection.
Much to long already so quickly:
Of course Evolution by Natural Selection doesn't account for the origin of life. That's because it's not supposed to. It explains how life changes. Look up abiogenesis before you criticize it.
No one in science uses the term Law. That's because no theory can ever be a complete model of the universe. Newton's "law" is wrong. Einstein came up with a better explanation but even though his theory is more accurate than Newton it is not called Einstein's Law of Relativity because it too is incomplete and fails at the quantum scale.
To call something "Only a theory" in science is no insult. This is a difference between the colloquial meaning of the word and how it is used in science, a difference that is so often misunderstood
2007-08-12 19:59:36
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answered by Nimrod 5
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The problem here is that we DID NOT evolve from chimps, monkeys, apes or what have you. We, however, did evolve from a common ancestor. This ancestor evolved and went on different evolutionary pathways to become the chimps, monkeys and modern humans that we know today. Because everybody went down an evolutionary path, chimps, monkeys etc. and humans are able to coexist.
And humans are still evolving. Keep in mind evolution can take a while to be noticeable. It is highly dependent on your rate of reproduction. Because bacteria and other small organisms reproduce at such a high rate, it is easy to spot evolutionary changes, for example, evolving to be resistant to drugs. Since humans don't reproduce at such a high rate, we will never be able to notice any evolutionary changes in our lifetime. Remember, it took millions of years for a fish to venture out onto land. If it took that long for fish to evolve into amphibious creatures, think about how long it would take for modern humans to evolve into something else.
As for the question of the complexity of life and how it can originate from one cell...I don't believe it can ever be answered. However, I would say that the theory of evolution would trump the "theory" of creation (I find it a bit too fantastical). Evolution is evident in all lifeforms around us...take the blind cave fish. It looks like any ordinary fish...except for where its eyes should be...the eyes are actually covered with skin. Living in dark caves for many generations have led to this fish to evolve into a blind fish because it no longer had use for its eyes...
Whatever you believe in is your choice, but please get your argument straight about the evolution of humans from monkeys! We did not evolve from monkeys..or chimps...or gorillas...we evolved from a common ancestor!
2007-08-12 17:29:07
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answered by lil_loodle 2
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Evolution and the Big Bang:
The universe was created from a finite speck of infinite density to create a universe where life evolved from millions of perfect genetic mutations of a single cell organism resulting in man and all living creatures as we know them.
As for monkeys, they just failed to mutate properly when they were exposed to the high dose of radiation necessary to cause the mutation. If they had just read a few more Hulk comics and prepared better, they might could have been a little higher on the food chain.
You see, it is important to study and be prepared.
ROFLMAO
2007-08-12 16:54:14
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answered by Anonymous
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Wow. We didn't evolve from monkeys. Humans evolved from an animal that looks like today's monkeys.
Humans have only been on earth for thousands of years. It takes millions of years for an animal to evolve significantly. We are still evolving, but in a very sloooooow pace.
And the whole thing about life is so complex that there's no way it could have evolved from a single cell. Have you ever learned about a sperm and egg cell? They eventually form into one single cell which then grows into an embryo, and into a human baby... which is a very complex organism.
Evolution still has so many holes to fill in. But, that's not really bothersome, because science is constantly searching for answers to repair those holes. Intelligent design, which has bigger holes, will never accept new answers... there has always been one answer and it will never change, no inquiries, no study, no experiments, no arguments; it's all "what says on the Bible goes" logic. And that is a bunch of crock.
Intelligent design says the world is only thousands of years old, while carbon dating clearly shows dino bones are millions of years old.
I believe in God. And I believe evolution is one of His powers.
To say God created everything in days (like in the Bible) is an insult to Him and to humans, because that implies that He barely gave any thought into how we look, act, and live. Evolution, being God's power (in my opinion), implies that His creation is so grand and majestic that it would take him millions of years trying to weed out as much imperfections to create his greatest creation... us.
2007-08-13 09:09:47
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answered by suchAnoob 2
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1. We, monkeys and apes evolved from a common ancestor and then we ALL evolved...so that monkeys and apes look different.
2. As we have evolved DIFFERENTLY from the other primates and quite a while ago now under specific envrionmental conditions etc....and the primates today are different from those when we had a common ancestor..its never going to happen
3. WE are still evolving! Look at the early human skeltons ( Thats H.sapiens, cro magnon man etc) and you can see how we have changed in that time ( eg 30,000 years or so) with less of a brow ridge, I think the chin is more pronounced too.
4. From a single cell its a slow process to being a multicellular complex structure of today....hence why evolution and the fossil record are there to show us that simple organisms devloped first eg groups of single cells, then had to adapt as those in the centre of the group have less surface area and unable to get eg food, oxygen, etc ...then became specialised and had to stay in that position so became more complex...over time this devloped further and further....different cells devloped ( eg plant, animal, fungi etc)
THe fossil evidence shows us the types of plants and animals that used to exist and how some plants and animals of today look like those ancient organisms....we see specific ages eg age of ferns, conifers, dinosaurs, reptiles etc...we are in the age of mammals at the moment..... they were not always around, they devloped over time....these mammals devloped into a range of other groups..one of which was primates and some of those devloped in to our ancestors ( fossils found in Africa show the changes from ape-like to human-like)....to us!!!
2007-08-12 17:52:07
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answered by mareeclara 7
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"If we evolved from apes, why are there still apes?"
This is like asking "If sand is made from rocks, why are there still rocks?"
Humans and all the other great ape species alive today evolved from an ape-like hominid species that existed a few million years ago. Why is this so hard to understand?
Don't say you disbelieve evolution until you understand what evolution is.
Evolution is simply the gradual changes that occur when environmental forces cause creatures with certain physical traits to live longer (and breed more), while causing creatures with other physical traits to die sooner (and breed less).
For example, let's say I had a herd of 1 million sheep. Only 1% of the sheep have black hair. Now I kill all the sheep with white hair, reducing the size of the herd to only 10,000 sheep. I let these sheep breed again until they reach their former numbers (1 million). Now, 10% of the sheep have black hair. Again, I kill all the white-haired sheep. I let this group of 100,000 sheep regain their former numbers. Now, 50% of the sheep have black hair. Again, I kill all the white-haired sheep. I let this group regain their former numbers. Now, 95% of the sheep have black hair, and so on...
I can selectively kill sheep with any trait I choose, causing that trait to not get passed on to any offspring. Thus, I eliminate that trait from the gene pool. This is called artificial selection. Natural selection works in the same way, except it's random environmental factors doing the selecting, instead of me.
Did you know the poodle did not exist 500 years ago? Where did it come from? Humans selectively bred dogs until they created the poodle breed. That's evolution.
Racing horses are selectively bred to promote greater running ability. That's evolution, too.
Evolution is not a theory. It's a fact.
2007-08-12 15:47:51
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answered by lithiumdeuteride 7
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sir, im sorry to tell you that you have totally misunderstood evolution... Darwinian evolution that is. evolution never stated that man came from monkeys. moreover, its not a development from the simple towards the complex... such theory is by Lamarck and has already been proved false. Darwinian evolution is about adaption of a species in a world of limited resources and competition. one species need not be complex in order to compete... but competition and the will to survive is a mechanism of evolution. bacterias and other unicellular organisms can compete with the resources available, so they need not (macro) evolve... although, micro evolution frequently takes place when there are mutagens. please do read first books and references on evolution before making some unfounded conclusions.
2007-08-12 15:33:17
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answered by quigonjan 3
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>"If we evolved from chimps, monkeys, or whatever ..."
There's your mistake! You really have no clue what "these people" (namely scientists) actually say ... and yet you are absolutely convinced they are wrong!
That is why creationists will always make *PATHETIC* science arguments. Because they reject scientific concepts outright without even *trying* to understand them. "I refuse to believe this because I can't understand it, and I will refuse to understand it because I don't believe it."
And that is why creationists are always arguing against a cartoon version of the theory of evolution that NO SCIENTIST BELIEVES. You are describing evolution in an absurd way (that no scientist believes) in order to call it absurd.
For the record, scientists do NOT say we evolved from chimps or monkeys (certainly not any kind of modern monkey). They are NOT our ancestors. We share a common ancestor. This isn't a "whatever" kinda point ... this makes all the difference in the world. If you understand that the ancestors to humans are NO LONGER AROUND, then your question disappears.
Second, it would be an absolutely STUPID theory if every species replaced its ancestor. By that logic there would be only one species on the planet.
Instead, the concept of *BRANCHING* is essential to understanding evolution ... a species can split into two species when a subpopulation gets isolated from the rest for enough generations to lose the ability to interbreed with them. Once they have split, they will continue to evolve in separate directions (since they cannot exchange genes). So our branch becomes more and more like modern humans, and the chimp branch becomes more and more like modern chimps, and both are getting less and less like each other. It's not that complicated.
>"Wouldnt they have evolved with the rest of us humans if we are some superior race?"
Whaa? "...superior race"?! Again, an absurd phrase that nobody who understands evolution would use.
Humans are not some "superior race" to the other apes. They are different, not inferior. They are NOT some sort of "sub-humans" or something stuck in an intermediate stage of evolution on the way to being human. Humans are NOT some sort of end-goal of evolution. Modern apes are as highly "evolved" as we are, as highly adapted for their environment as we are to ours.
>"And why aren't we still evolving?"
We are. It's slow. Your question is like standing in front of a tree for 5 minutes and asking "why isn't it still growing?"
>"How did everything on earth evolve into the complex organisms from a single cell."
Natural selection. (Didn't they cover this in your school?) Advantageous traits stick. Disadvantageous traits don't. Fast-forward by 4 billion years. Complexity.
>"I mean seriously..."
Sorry, but "I mean seriously ..." is not a logical or a scientific argument. Look up "argument from incredulity."
>"how do things as complex as the human body work so perfect."
Perfect?? Do you wear glasses? Ever known a kid with glasses? Ever had a bad back? Know someone who got their appendix out? Wisdom teeth removed? Known a woman with bad menstrual cramps? Known someone with any birth defect? How about alergies?
The human body is amazing. But "perfect"? Not on your life.
>"Im sorry but things like that didnt just happen."
Argument from incredulity.
>"I think Evolution in a bunch of crock ..."
I don't blame you! Based on your current (and rather awful) understanding of evolution, I would call it a bunch of crock too.
Just remember that the vast majority of scientists ... some pretty smart people who maybe, just *maybe*, might understand Evolution better than you do (without using the word "whatever" even once in their understanding) ... accept Evolution as not only the backbone of Biology, but one of the strongest theories in the history of science.
Understand first. *Then* decide what you believe.
2007-08-12 15:31:14
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answered by secretsauce 7
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i'm no longer a Dawkins admirer particularly, yet i'm going to attempt to respond quickly as a actuality seeker. without equus of any heigth. you assert, "An ape can look at a sunset or smell a rose. What he can in no way do is mirror on how beautiful the former is, or write a music with reference to the latter." i don't understand that apes won't be able to mirror on the sunset. Apes have been taught some language skills, yet i think that have not composed any songs yet. nevertheless ... whales sing. Very complicated songs, curiously the effect of their very own devising (to a extra robust degree than are birdsongs) -- and a few, for all i understand, mirror upon the odors known to them. If basically whales knew the smell of roses. My element isn't an atheistical one. it particularly is non secular and vitalist. All of existence is sacred. All of existence, you will desire to declare, is divine. Drawing sharp differences between ourselves and different creatures fails the two as technological know-how and as faith.
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answered by ? 4
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