Can the American People overcome ballot fraud?

Question

It seems like We the People no longer have a say as to who represents us at a federal level. The movie American Blackout presents strong evidence that fraud was committed on a large scale during the last two presidential elections. Can we as a nation realize that this is not just a conspiracy theory devised by the "loosers"? What can be done to fix it?

Answer 1

It has been proven that the electronic machines, if the people who ran them wanted to, they could make it favor whoever they wanted to, and no one would be able to tell, unless you went and looked at the source code of the machine. Everyone in this thread who is saying it is a Conspiracy theory are a bunch of un-informed idiots who once again take anything at face value.

One of the developers of the diebold voting machines actually has testified to congress on this, but yet they are still using the voting machines. The testimony is in the movie America: Freedom to Fascism.

I know we as Ron Paul supporters are worried about this, and we came up with the idea of all Ron Supports before they vote, sign an affidavit which will be notarized, basically stating that they were going to vote for him. The basic premise, is that if you have 9,000 notarized affadavits (which is extremely concrete), and you only have 5,000 votes counted for, you have very good basis to make criminal charges against the people who set it up, and you have very good basis to get whatever the vote was, overturned so that it would be whatever amount of notarized affadavits you had.

All these people saying it is a Conspiracy Theory are the same people that haven't look at the resources that I have. I can confidently say I have researched both sides of the spectrum, more than any of the losers making comments on this page. I hate when people state information as true when they don't even know the truth themselves.

How about before you state something, and state your little "Do I hear Conspiracy, go buy tinfoil" little dance, how about research the very thing you critique. How can you be so opposed to something which you know nothing about?

Answer 2

I don't think it would be at _all_ wise to stop beating this so-called "dead horse". Even if there were no fraud in the prior election, it would be a miracle due to how easily fraud could have been perpetrated. We need to make the election process more secure regardless of what may or may not be true of history, because right now it is outrageously vulnerable and not at all reliable when it comes to thwarting powerful candidates who might perpetrate fraud.

I don't believe we'll ever get it "fixed" because those in power like being able to rig such things. It is far too useful to those who wish to have their way at any cost, it can't be trusted by us and I'm positive they would do everything in their power to stop such reformation. Including wage war on its own people.

Answer 3

okay seriously what is the fear with the electronic voting system? I remember when people where afraid to buy things off ebay and do online banking. its a good thing too b/c they are soooo corrupt

I am a programmer/database tech. and I can tell you that there are plenty of ways to design a system that would be almost absolutely secure. it would be way way way more secure than that of the paper ballots.

but first thing. the previous poster has a point. electoral colleague has to go as well as winning the state! vote should be purely based on the entire population.

additionally, social security needs to modernize and become electronic. complete with magnetic swipe cards that hold your SS# instead of these stupid little pieces of paper they send out. this would allow for checking of double using ss#, proper voting rights, and ages etc. omw it might even reduce identity theft and immigration policies.

then when people vote they could walk into any voting booth show swipe their ID and their SS Card which is then checked with the state's records and the SS admins databases. next voter signs in with their personal signature for instant voting.

after they vote they should get a print out a print out of the way they voted additionally on the print out will be a confirmation number that allows them and only them to see how they voted online. if there are inconsistencies between the paper printed and the online database then it will come out.

you can't have people looking online at how they voted and not say something if it isn't how they really voted!
and you cant have votes with out the true ss# and a signature.

problem solved. easy as cake.

now the funding?

Answer 4

Sir, if you are serious about that, then we need to first change the joke called ELECTORAL COLLEGE. The electoral college make the elections based on the options of some few persons who can follow or not follow the popular vote by the people. So we can vote anyway we want.. but the electoral college has the last work. Read more about the electoral college.. and you will have a laugh.. sour sad laugh.

Answer 5

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Answer 6

Go back to ballots and throw the new electronic machines out in the street! You take away the ability from the unscrupulous to achieve their objectives, you take away their power to manipulate the public!
And you have election officials at every voter box, to avoid stuffing, and someone at each counting table, or counter to assure absolute voting accuracy!
More man hours,but no fraud, either!

Answer 7

This is exactly what I keep talking about. A theory with no evidence is just that. If it involves a conspiracy then it IS a

Conspiracy Theory.

There was no fraud. There was human error which was magnified by every news agency in the nation because they were upset at looking ignorant.

To keep beating this dead horse just makes those who do look foolish. If you really wanted to do something you'd go out and volunteer as a vote monitor for election day.

Answer 8

that's a tough one, because there is a price for most people, and that's the way it goes. There is no sure fire way of security to ensure that fraud or corruption won't take place, it's the sad truth. We just have to go and vote and demand that congress looks into the matter more by contacting our elected reps and telling them the problem.

Answer 9

To the extent that people believe that there has been ballot fraud, I would note several remedies.

First, every state has procedures for allowing election observers. Most jurisdictions are struggling to get people willing to serve as election judges and most political parties are struggling to get people willing to serve as non-judge observers. If you are concerned about fraud, volunteer to serve.

Second, strongly campaign for your jurisidiction to use optic-scan ballots. I have been involved in several recounts using optic scan ballots and have observed several canvassing boards in operation. Regardless of what anybody says about the accuracy of touch screens and verifiability of them, I simply am more comfortable observing a ballot that a voter marked. Many states have good standards for what counts as a vote on an optic-scan ballot that takes account of the imperfections of voters. Given techno-illiteracy, I have serious doubts about the ability of a substantial number of voters and poll workers to correct an erroneous vote on a touch-screen machine. While I understand the argument for touch-screen machines for a certain segment of the disabled community, I believe that the rest of us should be allowed to use optic-scan ballots to assure us that our vote will be accurately recorded and counted.

Third, as noted above, any touch screen system should be limited to disabled voters only and should print out a hard copy for verification by the voter before being officially recorded. That hard copy should be stored in a manner that keeps the vote secret but subject to review in a recount or canvassing situation.

Fourth, there should be a truly random canvass of every election open to the public. By truly random, I mean that within each category of race, the exact races to be canvassed should be determined by some drawing of lot which should be done in public prior to the start of the canvass. Likewise, the precincts to be canvassed should be determined by a public drawing of lot. That way no one will know if a particular precinct or race will be canvassed prior to the start of the canvass (deterring election night manipulation of the results from any particular precinct).

Fifth, if the canvass shows a certain percentage of errors, all races in all precincts covered by that election authority should be canvassed.

My own belief, having observed canvasses and full-fledged recounts, is that there is a tiny percentage of human error in elections, not any actual fraud. However, in the absence of a system that gives sufficient assurances, unsupported allegations of fraud will continue -- especially as this country insists on assigning elections to partisan officials who take contributions from the very folks who design election machines.

Answer 10

Go back to paper ballots. My country, Canada, uses paper ballots and can get them all counted before the next morning. The U.S. is larger, but it has commensurately bigger resources to do the same.

Oh, and have a standardized design for ballots that's easy to read and use. Some of the stuff that went on during the 2000 election (the election of the "butterfly ballots" and "hanging chads") was a disgrace; America was a laughing-stock around the rest of the world.