Hillary says it is wrong for Obama in debate but it is ok for Penn?

Question

I am going to put just inserts of an article I read in here because the article is long. I don't need the whole thing to make my point, but I will leave the web-site address.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/c0b02a90-39b7-11dc-9d73-0000779fd2ac.html

It was highlighted by a clash between the top 2008 Democratic contenders after Obama said he would be willing to meet with leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea.
Obama said it was important to search for areas "where we can potentially move forward" and added, "I think it's a disgrace that we have not spoken to them."

Hillary: disagreed, saying such meetings could be used as propaganda purposes.

NOW HERE IS THE GOOD PART!!!
Hillary says,
"Certainly, we're not going to just have our president meet with Fidel Castro and HUGO CHAVEZ
and you know, the president of North Korea, Iran and Syria, until we know better what the way forward would be," she said.

Then why was it ok for Penn to meet with Chavez Liberals?

Penn consorted with the enemy as far as I am concerned, and my point is, if all Libs are in it together, Hillary, Penn, Obama..maybe they need to set straight standards or guide lines?
Double standards?

Steve A8! Not when what he went over there for is Politically motivated or intended. You think he went over there as a citizen wanting to go water sking on vacation? Come on! Get Real here!

sage and scholar: Hate is not the point here. I don't hate anybody by the way, I dislike.
Venezula sure isn't an ally no matter how you try and sugar coat it!

Answer 1

An old saying rings true here..."Birds of a feather, flock together"...nuff said..

Answer 2

Penn is a private citizen. He does not represent the US in any official capacity.
And even ingoring that glaringly obvious flaw in your argument - how do you know how Clinton feels about Penn?

Penn consorted with the enemy??? When did Chavez become the enemy? We are not at war with Venezuela. You are allowed to hate people if you want - but it does not mean other Americans have to agree with you.

Is this really the best you have?

Answer 3

I'm no liberal, and certainly no defender of Hillary Clinton, but there is a difference when it is a Presidential candidate vs a US citizen (no matter how politically motivated he or sh might be). If Rosie O'Donnel says she want's to meet with the President of Iran, it's of concern only for those who worry about her safety. When Nancy Pelosi, or some other high profile official or candidate does so it's a whole different ball of wax.

Answer 4

Penn is a private citizen. Who gives a sh_t what he does?

RESPONSE - We are not at war with Venezuela. We still have full diplomatic relations and still do a lot of business with them. He is in no way a threat to the US so accusing Penn of consorting with the enemy is just nonsense. If Penn wants to make a fool out of himself by meeting with Chavez that's up to him. It has nothing to do with our foreign policy.

Answer 5

Meanwhile she had already contradicted herself telling us we NEED to have one on one relations with places like N Korea, Iran, and Venezuela. Just typical lib pointing the finger in the air and seeing which way the wind blows you that day.

Answer 6

Not a liberal but I would say the two are vastly different....Obama is potentialy the representative of the American people and gov't....Penn represents no one but himself and some of the Hollywood elite...no matter what he may think.

Answer 7

It's almost election time, she wouldn't want to tell a member of an important voting block for her that he's a traitor to his country.

Answer 8

they are both scared of each others popularity

Answer 9

The left are Communist all of them and they own defeat and are all traitor.

1963 Communist Goals
The following was entered into the Congressional record by Albert Herlong, Jr. (a Floridian who served in Congress from 1949-69) in 1963.

1) US acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war
2) US willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war
3) Develop the illusion that total disarmament by the US would be a demonstration of "moral strength"
4) Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.
5) Extension of long term loans to Russia and Soviet Satellites
6) Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination
7) Grant recognition of Red China, and admission of Red China to the UN.
8) Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the Germany question by free elections under supervision of the UN
9) Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the US has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress
10) Allow all Soviet Satellites individual representation in the UN
11) Promote the UN as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the UN as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo)
12) Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party
13) Do away with loyalty oaths
14) Continue giving Russia access to the US Patent Office
15) Capture one or both of the political parties in the US
16) Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions, by claiming their activities violate civil rights.
17) Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for Socialism, and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers associations. Put the party line in text books.
18) Gain control of all student newspapers
19) Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.
20) Infiltrate the press. Get control of book review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.
21) Gain control of key positions in radio, TV & motion pictures.
22) Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all form of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings", substitute shapeless, awkward, and meaningless forms.
23) Control art critics and directors of art museums. " Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art".
24) Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.
25) Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography, and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio and TV.
26) Present Homosexuality, degeneracy, and promiscuity as "normal, natural, and healthy".
27) Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch"
28) Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the grounds that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state"
29) Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.
30) Discredit the American founding fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man".
31) Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of "the big picture:" Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.
32) Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture - - education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.
33) Eliminate all laws or procedures, which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.
34) Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.
35) Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI
36) Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.
37) Infiltrate and gain control of big business
38) Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand or treat.
39) Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.
40) Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.
41) Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.
42) Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special interest groups should rise up and make a "united force" to solve economic, political, or social problems.
43) Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.
44) Internationalize the Panama Canal.
45) Repeal the Connally Reservation so the US can not prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction over nations and individuals alike.
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