Can Anyone Please Explain The Exact Procedure For 'Forcing One's Religion Down Other's Throats' ?

Question

Is talking about religion equivalent to 'forcing' ? -- No

Is sharing what we've learned equivalent to 'forcing' ? -- No

Do people get others in head-locks and drag them off to church in handcuffs ? -- No

Are there internment camps where people are bound and gagged and then force-fed Scripture ? -- No

Does the public education system require Bible Studies as a requirement for graduation ? -- No , (but the Koran is force-fed to 7th grade students in California)

Well Then. . . . .. What Is The Exact Procedure ?

Well this was intended for R+S but I goofed . So I'll include a political viewpoint on the topic .

Do You See Harm In Teaching 'About' The Bible In The Public Education System ? If you do , then please be prepared to also comment on why California REQUIRES 7th grade students to learn about Islam .
Thank you .

I wonder how many of you know how silly you look and sound when you say that if a person talks about their religion , then that means they are 'forcing' it . OK , let's try your little notion . I don't like it when liberals talk about their notions . OK , now , does that mean they're 'forcing' their ideology down my throat ? -- NO
It means they're sharing their ideology and they have that right and I respect that right and it's called FREEDOM people . Look into it !!

X-Man - That might be a legitimate example , but I have a question for ya. . . . . . How many little rivers near channels that are environmentally useless are used by nude sun-bathers and harrassed by Christians ? -- One ? Or am I mistaken and they're really all over the country ? -- Point being , that is so very obscure .

Alanagkelly - I can't find the link anymore , but it is very true . They didn't hide it either . I believe it happened in the 9th district if memory serves . Look it up and get ready for the shock of your life .

Chredon - You just described EXACTLY what is happening in California . Because the state MANDATED the teaching of Islam , but did not set guidelines as to how. . . . teachers took it upon themselves to decide . The result ? Well , at least one teacher took it upon herself to write a manifesto for students to follow from their very first day in class . The beginning of that manifesto ? OK , it starts by saying . . . 'Today you will become a Muslim' .
Now what do you have to say ?
Oh btw , other teachers did similar things . Forced the kids to wear burkas , Islamic garb , crescents and swords , etc etc .
Again I ask you , Now what do you have to say ?

Some teachers required the students to respond , when prompted by the teacher , 'Allah akbar' and 'Praise be unto Allah' . Anyone , ANYONE who doesn't believe me should look it up for themselves .

X-Man - Do you have something else you'd like to share with all of us ? Yes , I just found out who you really are !!! How's the stalking business going ?

Lillbit - No , I wouldn't mind at all . In fact I allowed 2 Jehovah Witnesses to talk about the Bible in my house for almost a year . Yes , I do want to hear other's opinions . Do you ? Or do you already know everything ?

Answer 1

LOL I love it, and you get a star!! More if I could.

I always thought that was a funny expression -

"You are not leaving this house or eating until you accept this religion, quote the Bible, and bring in new people to the Church".

So it is just a bogus quote most likely started by someone who didn't want to go to Church or believe in anything.

Thanks for the question.

Answer 2

I think forcing a religion onto someone is exactly what some teachers want to do. You have a captive audience. On the flip side, I had college professors ridicule religion. So it appears the fine line is teaching ABOUT religion without singling one out over the other.

I was thinking about this yesterday. My question was a little different. What do people really mean by wearing religion on your sleeve, and, why or when does that become offensive to someone?

I would have never though anyone could have worked the lyrics of Levon into an answer.

Answer 3

1) Note the historical facts about the roots of Western civilization in the Judeo-Christian tradition.

2) Teach that this country was largely first settled by deeply religious people fleeing persecution.

3) Suggest that people be responsible in their sexual practices, and that unborn human beings have value to society.

4) Say anything that would indicate any question about homosexual practices.

5) Suggest that there is any authority higher than the government, or point out how Washington, Lincoln, FDR and others appealed to faith in public life.

6) Offer any complaint or criticism whatsoever of those who denigrate religion and its adherents at every turn, or who can only voice criticism of genocidal Islamist extremists if they immediately add that Christians are every bit as bad (beheading is analogized to not supporting same-sex marriage), and that if we all stopped believing in a higher power, absolute right and wrong and divine justice the world would be a wonderful place.

I think that just about covers it.

:)

Answer 4

Kids should not be taught about the Bible in schools. That should be left up the parents and whatever church they belong to. Now if the schools want to have a religious studies class as a college has then I am for it. There is nothing wrong about with learning about anothers religion.

Do you have a link to the California School Systems teaching kids an understanding of Islam. I can't really give a comment on it with more info, however I am not sure they are forcing the kids to convert do you? It could be a reaction to everything that is happening around the world with the negative view that a lot of muslims don't deserve.

Answer 5

It's the Byron School District in CA. The teaching of this class was taken to the Supreme Court, which refused to hear it in 10/06. The course teaches islam as a fact, as compared to a course in Christianity taught in grade 6 that describes it as a myth. Students have to choose a Muslim name, memorize verses of the quran, pray to allah, have mock jihads against Christians and exhalt allah after the jihad. They say it's a "cultural class". You can dress up for extra credit, but the other things mentioned are required. The book being used only portrays islam in a positive way, no mention of Sharia Law, violent wars or mistreatment of women. When teaching about Christianity, it's taught as "they believed". islam is taught as fact and a banner was up at the school that said There is one God, allah and Muhammad is his prophet.

Atheists would go ballistic if a school allowed a banner that said There is only one God and Jesus is The Christ, whether it was taught "culturally" or not.

An arab public school is opening this year in New York. At least it's being presented as an arab public school. The fact is, this school paid for by taxpayers has a religious school board full of Muslims. A RELIGIOUS SCHOOL BOARD for a public school? Separation of church and state is gone and islam is endorsed. That is "forcing religion down your throat".

God Bless.

Answer 6

First Earnest, I am befuddled by many answers here.

Being 'spiritual' and and expressing such, is not the same as 'religion,' and morals, even though many are taught them via religion, are not a matter of religion either. Morals are a matter of human societal rule.

For me and mine, giving spiritual guidance is done through opportunity and actions, not in a recruitment style movement.

For the "Under God" and "in God we trust" guy: God in this instance is NOT an endorsement of any religion, the word god is a generic term, a place-holder, a fill-in-the-blank word. If our pledge said under Zeus and our cash said in Ester we trust . . . you'd have a gripe. If you have no "higher power" then you can enter your own name into the phrase if you like.

Now, to answer your question Earnest; Telling my Christian children that they may not eat a ham sandwich at school because it offends the sensibilities of a Muslim student, would be 'shoving their religion down our throats."

A law preventing divorce, based on Catholic belief, preventing non-Catholics from procuring a divorce; shoving down one's throat. (I do think there is plenty of evidence, however that shows no-fault divorce has harmed our society as a whole, so a secular argument could be made to change this trend.)

Mandating that all food be kosher, per Jewish belief; shoving down one's throat.

(in part to the abortion guy) Morality is the bases for the laws we live by. The law that precludes murder is a 'moral' law, not an endorsement of any religious mandate. The basis for our laws, is to protect others from 'real' harm, not to force religion down anyone's throat.

Oh yeah, and closing the classroom door, saying what happens here stays here, then showing the students "Brokeback Mountain:" shoving.

Regarding religion in school: Learning about other beliefs is not the same as recruiting for A religion. This could be done in Social Studies without harm, IE the % of people in _____ are ______. Delivered as possibly different, but neither right or wrong . . .

A child giving thanks to 'God' in a speech, is not the same as preaching therfore not an indorcement of any One religion.

That's how I see it, anyway.

Answer 7

Putting the rules of one's own religion into the laws of the land governing all of us is most definitely forcing your religion down our throats. Example: You believe God puts a soul in a fetus at conception. This is clearly a religious belief. Therefore, you write laws attempting to ban abortion and/or contraception.

Answer 8

Talking about religion is not forcing it "down someone's throat". Forcing ones religion on someone else is though. The dictionary explains the difference between "talking" and "forcing" so you can just check that out if you are still confused.

Children need to learn about the history of religion and the differences between religious dogma if they are going to fully understand society locally, regionally, nationally, and globally. Some Christians took the bait years ago when government began condoning various religious teachings in school (encouraging a specific dogma) when they should have resisted. Now we are suffering with the government choosing which religious views are appropriate for school and they are the worst people to be making that decision.

Teaching about the history of the Koran and the Bible in school is important. Teaching from the perspective of either is asinine and destructive.

Let people believe what they want as long as they don't "force it on me" or make me pay for them to do it. I'll let a person know when I don't want to hear and when I do. I don't need government to do that for me.

Answer 9

I would say that "convert or die or at the least be second class to those that do" would be a good description of forcing religion down someones throat.

And by the way, while Islam is required for 7th graders in California, they have effectively erased most every part of this nations Christian heritage, while distorting what little they don't erase.

Answer 10

To some radicals simply asking them to attend church with you or saying God bless you is considered forcing. I have had people try to drag me to the alter during invitation when I was younger. I considered that forcing. I have had people go on and on about my salvation and I considered that forcing. For the most part people just have asked me a question and left me alone. Since I became a Christian, I invite people to church politely and never argue if they refuse. I really don't know what I would do if they became angry and started bad mouthing me or my religion. Probably not act very Christian Like. I consider changing the name of my Christmas tree trying to force me into something. Why try to tip toe around people's feelings if 80% of Americans beleive in God? Let the 20 % believe what they want, but do not try to take away my freedom either.

Answer 11

it looks like our country is SO FREE, that we can make up our own definitions to words...like force. One guy said that preaching is forcing, so when I go to church every Sunday, I guess I am being forced somehow or another.....Earnest, this was a GREAT point and question. Unfortunately, this world is full of morons who are illiterate, so we have to excuse the ones who got the word "force" wrong in their 5th grade vocabulary test. Morons: sorry for being snide, but Earnest is right.....who is holding you hostage at gunpoint? uh, yeah, that's what I thought. It seems as if the people who feel "forced" are weak individuals who don't have a leg to stand on when they hear something they don't like or agree with.