It's bottom of the 9th inning with 0 out and the game is tied 1-1. The starter has just allowed a walk, and the manager pulls him. The reliever comes in, and gets the first out by way of a fielder's choice. Now, if the next batter hits a game-winning RBI double, which pitcher gets charged with the loss? Is it the starter because he walked the first batter, or does the starter get off the hook once the reliever get the fielder's choice out?
2007-08-06 05:03:36 · 9 answers · asked by markuuj 2 in Sports ➔ Baseball
The loss goes to the starter. He was the one who allowed a baserunner. The man the reliever allowed on simply replaced the potential winning run.
RULE 10/SCORING 115
credit that pitcher with five innings, and make the notation that he faced a specific number of batters in the sixth. If a relief pitcher retires two batters and is replaced, credit that pitcher with two-thirds of an inning pitched.
Complete Game
SECTION 20. To receive credit for a complete game, the pitcher must pitch the entire game.
Wild Pitch
SECTION 21. A pitcher shall be charged with a wild pitch when a legal pitch is such that a catcher cannot catch or control it with ordinary effort, so that the batter reaches first base or any runner advances one or more bases.
Note: Generally, a pitch that hits the ground before touching the catcher’s glove is scored as a wild pitch.
Earned Run
SECTION 22. a. An earned run shall be charged against a pitcher when a runner scores because of a safe hit, sacrifice hit, sacrifice fly, stolen base, putout, fielder’s choice, base on balls, hit batter, balk or wild pitch (even when the wild pitch is a third strike), provided that in each case it is before the defensive team has had an opportunity to make a third
putout.
Note: In determining earned runs, the scorer shall reconstruct the inning as if there were no errors or passed balls. Give the pitcher the benefit of the doubt in determining the advancement of runners, had the defensive team been errorless.
b. No earned run shall be charged to a relief pitcher if the runner was on base when the relief pitcher entered the game. Likewise, if a batter has more balls than strikes, unless the count is one ball, no strikes, when a relief pitcher enters the game and the batter receives a base on balls, charge that action to the preceding pitcher. Any other action of the batter
shall be charged to the relief pitcher.
c. No run shall be earned when scored by a runner whose time as a runner is prolonged by an error, if such runner would have been put out by errorless play.
d. An error by a pitcher is treated exactly the same as an error by any other fielder in computing earned runs.
NCAA rule book (same as majors, but coded differently)
This is the applicable section
e. When pitchers are changed during an inning, the relief pitcher shall not be charged with any run (earned or unearned) scored by a runner who reaches base on a fielder’s choice that puts out a runner left on base by
a preceding pitcher.
Seldom disagree with you, Craig, but have to this time.
2007-08-06 05:28:36 · answer #1 · answered by llk51 4 · 3⤊ 1⤋
The starter gets the loss. The base runner is his responsibility and just because there was a force out on the next play does not relief the starter of his responsibility of putting the runner on base. The relief pitcher would not be credited with a hold and would not get the loss. Rule 10.17 (b) is in two parts. Part (1) talks about responsibility of runners in a tie game going to the pitcher that leaves the game, and part (2) talks about responsibility for the game with no runners on base. A force out does not relieve the pitcher that put the runner on base from losing the game, with no runners on base the out could have been made at first base. I assure you in the scenario you have presented the starting pitcher will get the loss and not the relief pitcher that gave up the double.
2007-08-06 05:22:15 · answer #2 · answered by Frizzer 7 · 2⤊ 1⤋
The starter gets the loss. Even though the runner he allowed to get on is erased, if that guy wasnt on, there would not be a FC. There would be an out with nobody on. When a pitcher leaves the game with a man on, absent a play that leaves the bases empty, like a DP, he is responsible for one man on base.
Rotoworld is wrong. Again.
EDIT:
Sorry, but anyone who thinks the reliever gets the loss is nuts. The starter is responsible for a man on base once he lets the guy on. PERIOD. I'm glad none of you are official scorers.
EDIT: Craig
With all respect old buddy, I've seen about 10,000 games in my life. That's not how it works.
2007-08-06 05:13:18 · answer #3 · answered by Toodeemo 7 · 4⤊ 1⤋
Assuming the walked guy was the one put out by the fielder's choice, and he'd been the only baserunner: the relief pitcher would be charged with the loss, since the winning run was scored by a batter/baserunner he was responsible for - that is, the batter who'd hit into the fielder's choice but made it to base. Pitchers are charged with runs scored by batters they faced; if the starter never faced a particular batter, then he can't be charged with the earned run.
2007-08-06 05:21:42 · answer #4 · answered by JerH1 7 · 0⤊ 3⤋
Edit - Looks like the source pointed to by llk shows that my answer is incorrect.
The people who said the starter gets the loss are correct and my answer of the reliever is wrong.
When Frizzer and the others start disagreeing with me, it's a pretty good sign I'm wrong!
2007-08-06 05:14:08 · answer #5 · answered by Craig S 7 · 0⤊ 3⤋
Starter letf during a tie game so reliever gets loss
2007-08-06 05:08:11 · answer #6 · answered by J Dub 5 · 0⤊ 3⤋
the starter because he is responsable for the man on second even though its a feilders choice he still gave up the hit
2007-08-06 05:07:51 · answer #7 · answered by Steve jobs 4 · 4⤊ 1⤋
Well, now I want to know the correct answer because different people are all saying different things.
2007-08-06 05:17:32 · answer #8 · answered by steffiegirl520 2 · 0⤊ 0⤋
The starter gets off the hook because his batter is gone.
2007-08-06 05:14:32 · answer #9 · answered by BP 2 · 0⤊ 5⤋