are mclaren cheaters ? or is it ferrari ?

Question

Well i shall think its mclaren, guilty of information still not punished. two words lewis hamilton. ferrari, i don't think are cheaters but this is my view, what do you think ?

Answer 1

McLaren.

They are the ones having Ferrari's stolen car information. I think it is unfair for them to get away with that.

I'm sure if it was another team who commited this offence... say, Toyota, they would've IMMEDIATELY disqualified them.

Why? Because Ralf's not a top driver, overshadowed by his brother Michael's successes, earns more than he deserves, doesn't live up to his name Schumacher... and Trulli is a 'sleep head' driver, he caused the 'Trulli Train' in several races last year.

Double standards. Ferrari are NOT cheaters. It's not like they purposely let the information slip into McLaren's hands and act like they weren't involved. They genuinely couldn't do anything about it and it's too bad McLaren are let go scot free.

Lewis Hamilton is the reason why they got away with it. Go figure...

Answer 2

Cheating is when someone deliberately does something to their OWN advantage at the expense of someone else, and where there is an accepted code of conduct or a set of rules governing something.

The fact that the FIA are satisfied that Maclaren did not use any of the information, means that they didn't really cheat, but instead, were found guilty of merely posessing copyright information belonging to another team.

However, they have only been found guilty because it was one of their employees who appears to have acted on his own volition, and working to his own agenda. The fact that this person was contracted to the team, means that the team have to accept responsibility, and have been found guilty on a technicality.

Now Ferrari may claim that this os theft, and this is probably true, but thus far, they have not shown that Maclaren have either used the information or that they arranged the theft of the documents.

Now look at the Ferrari position. They had an employee, who was similarly under contract, and who was given the opportunity of taking documents and sending them elsewhere, which is exactly the same thing in reverse. They must also accept that they have been extremely lax with their security, and becausde of the contractual arangement, they must also accept a degree of blame for the incident.

It's very easy to get hysterical and point fingers, but it may actually be the case that Ron Dennis and the majority of the Maclaren team knew nothing about the matter, and if that is the allegation which Ferrari wish to pursue, then they have to come up with the evidence, because if it IS true, then not only have Maclaren (via their rogue employee) been guilt of theft, but they are now guilty of deception and contempt for the FIA.

That would make the whole matter far more serious, and the FIA would have the power to ban the team for a considerable period if that were the case, in addition to Ferrari being able to pursue both a civil case and a criminal case against them.

So the ball is now in Ferrari's court, and until such time as they can either put-up or shut-up with concrete information, then Maclaren remain innocent of those more serious charges until proven guilty.

What the good people on Yahoo answers think is irrelevant, because it is up to the FIA, the civil courts and the criminal courts to consider the evidence and make their judgements accordingly.

Maclaren are also claiming that Ferrari were deliberately trying to cheat by introducing a flexible floor on their 2007 Formula One car, as a means of gaining an illegal advantage in aerodynamics, so the allegations are flying both ways.

It really has absolutely nothing to do with Lewis Hamilton, because the FIA stated right at the start, that the drivers would not be compromised in any judgement, which would be clearly about the cars and the team-championship.

I don't know whether this is actually possible under the rules, but clearly, Ferrari would love to see themselves as the agrieved team who can pick up the championshop by having Maclaren banned, even if their car is not better or worse than the Maclaren.

You know, in the end, the design of a modern Formula One car is no longer about great differences in engines and other technical things. It is about aerodynamics and suspension design, and most of that knowledge, whether it is the work of Ferrari or Maclaren (or most other teams), all comes from the same source.......England. More or less all those involved in this technical debacle, were once fellow team members at Benneton, and that includes the remarkable Ross Brawn who achieved so much for Michael Schumacher.

Sadly, the whole business is doing a lot of harm to F1, and the biggest guilt must go to Ferrari, who are trying to gain an advantage by whatever means are possible, even if this brings the sport into disrepute.

Personally, I think Ferrari stink and Jean Todt is a funny little Frenchman devoid of a sense of sportsmanship, but that's just me!

It doesn't matter what I think.

Answer 3

From what I gather, Ferrari are and always have cheated. Every season, Ferrari will add a new "illegal" part to the car. They get away with it for many races due to technical details. Ferrari look for loopholes that they can exploit. This season, it's the hub caps on the wheels. Those hub caps give ferrari a big advantage over speed as they have no air resistance around the wheels. This should give them at least 3 or 4 tenths of a second advantage. However, this year's Ferrari is slow and therefore they haven't been able to take full advantage. The technicality that they are using is that the caps are attached to the car and not free flowing. By the time they are declared illegal, Ferrari will not have gained any significant advantage from them. Good gadget, bad timing for Ferrari. They should have kept them quiet until they can get more speed from the car. As for McLaren, the question has not arisen but how the hell did they get the technical documents in the first place? We know the answer, they were given to McLaren by a Ferrari Engineer. However, we don't know the motive. As they both had had talks with Renault, did they intend to sell the documents or did they use them to try to convince that they have the knowledge that Renault badly need, thus getting positions in the Renault team? I doubt we will ever know as Renault have been kept out of it and it appears that a deal has been struck with the Ferrari Engineer (an amnesty for spilling the beans on McLaren)as all the attention is focused on McLaren and not the Ferrari Engineer whom was the source of the documents. To be honest, it stinks of a Ferrari conspiracy to lower the morale of the McLaren team, possibly to destroy the team thus giving Ferrari no competition for next season. Strangely enough, Michael Schumaker was with Ferrari at the time of these events and he has now disappeared, since it blew up. What does he know? as far as my long F1 knowledge can take me (30 years), McLaren have always been a squeaky clean team and Ferrari have always used underhand tactics. Last year was the barge boards and they got away with it for a while. It was Ferrari, during Schumakers reign, that invented the collection of dirt on tyres to add weight at the end of the race. Innitially,this was a cheat that Schumaker used. The Ferrari would be lighter than permitted at the start of the race and Schumaker would make it heavier at the end as all podium cars are routinely weighed. They got caught out once and blamed the track from wearing away too much of the barge board. Since then they always collected dirt. All the other teams do this now. It is because of McLarens clean reputation that Ron Dennis was so pi**ed off with Alonso. I have always seen Ron Dennis as one of the old team that like a race to be fair and believes in real sportsmanship. Never before have McLaren had so much trouble until Alonso. Never before has McLaren had such a cheat that he tried to destroy both his team mates race and the team as a whole and only for his own selfish gain. It has backfired, big time, on Alonso and McLaren need Hamilton to win at least three of the last six races to hold on to the Constructors Championship. They can't afford to give Alonso any preferential treatment whatsoever now as one more incident from that baby boy and McLaren will lose. Finally, Ferrari are doing their damned hardest to get not only the team points nulled but also the individual points. If they get their way, Ferrari are team champions for 2007 now and the Driver's World Championship is between Kimi and Philipe. In other words, Ferrari win all. Let's hope it doesn't happen as there will be no point watching the last six races.

Answer 4

All teams in F1 cheat. Period.

Take 2005 Honda had the fuel tank cheat. They thought they would not get caught. Last year the flexiwing bit.

Basically, all teams look at the rules as carefully as possible to see where they can try something that might gain them an advantage. If it is not ruled against they will try it.

As for Ferrari being on top... in 2005 and 2006, Renault won the Constructor's Championship; yes, Ferrari won it from 1999 through 2004, but before that, they last won the Constructor's in 1983! McLaren and Williams were the teams to beat between those wins for Ferrari.

RP

Answer 5

the Fia are partly responsible for all this mess because what f1 needs is a strong fia with a strong deterrent that punish the guilty ,so this behaviour will stop once and for all.

all teams cheat if they can get away with it,but mclaren chief designer was caught red handed with 780 pages of Ferrari information and a few others at mclaren admitted knowing about it.
so its up to you if you think they used or looked at this information or not, the fia found them guilty but did not punish mclaren for the sake of the championship and yet they will now let this matter go to appeal but again nothing will happen to mclaren.

I hope next year can be a clean race that is fought out on the track and not on who cheated or didn't cheat.

Answer 6

Ferrari are normally on top. But this season, its mclaren and mclaren have adpted to there tyers so quickly. But ferrari are having problems for some strange reasons and some of these problems are stupid little mistake, e.g. massa, in qualifying they forgot to put petrol in his car and then someone dropped the tyres and its all just silly mistakes, and well to be honest they can't take it that lews is beating them and with kimi behind 20 points they have alot of catching up to do, and if they come 2nd or 1st they could make up. but i dont think they are cheaters in so much of away !!!!!!!!!

Answer 7

Ferrari have been known to bend the rules a bit on a number of occasions, Schumacher was an expert at it.

Unless McLaren can be shown to have made use of Ferrari's information, which, up to now, they haven't been, I can't see how they can be accused of cheating-particularly since at the moment they are consistantly out-performing Ferrari.

I think Ferrari are just upset that they're not winning everything this year and they are trying to get rid of the competition.

Answer 8

Ferrari are cheats. McLaren didn't steal the info, it was sent to them by a Ferrari employee. They didn't use the info in any way, so why should they be guilty. If someone posted you drugs and you didn't know about it, how would you feel if the police arrested you?

Answer 9

i agree with RP on this one. there is more to it concerning Ferrari and McLaren, but up until now it has always been Ferrari who had the reputation of not playing by the rules.

Answer 10

You would have to be an idiot to think that only theses two teams cheat in formula 1. The reality is that they all do in one way or another. Being the top teams, there is more competition between the two and they are always under more scrutiny than the other teams which is why they are always getting caught...