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Is it due to its strong rhythm? But the Allegretto is quite slow. Can you provide me with other opinions?

2007-08-04 03:09:09 · 2 answers · asked by jarod_jared 3 in Entertainment & Music Music Classical

Also, what about the last movement? I really enjoy that movement (I really do!) but that rhythm is too strong to call a dance. It's like leaping on a drunken horse.

2007-08-04 05:45:55 · update #1

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That observation by Wagner is pretty famous. The reason behind is only in his mind, wherever it be now.
If I were in his shoes, I'd feel a call to dance in the bridge from the introduction (Poco sostenuto) to the Vivace in 6/8: tattà tatattà tatattà tatattà tatattà tattattà. What I adore in this symphony is the closing of first movement, with the dominating horns and trumpets, resuming the invitation to dance: tatattà (tatattà) tatattà (tatattà) ta ta ta ta ta and so on to close.
Yes, the Allegretto is slow (and A minor) but its surging over the central registers of the orchestra leaves a very dynamic impression.
A friend of mine used to refer to the Finale (Allegro con brio) as to a drunk slapping and punching around; here dance takes the form of a whirl, with rhythm in sixteenths and rigorous forma sonata.
All in all, the positive sense of rhythm is in relation to the events: in 1812 when Ludwig Van was writing 7th, the austrians were defending their land against Napoleon, only 4 symphonies before glorified by the dark-skinned german composer.
A personal reminder: I was in Turin in 1996 and Kurt Masur with the NY Philharmonic was "trying to start off " 7th, but a problem in the air conditioning system produced a fake rhythm in the background and Kurt couldn't sail off until they fixed it. Dance is dance, no discussion.

2007-08-04 11:48:55 · answer #1 · answered by the italian 5 · 0 0

The allegretto is also almost the rhythm of a quadrille -- a rather stately dance. Not all dances were fast, ya know :-)

Wagner was simply making a statement about Beethoven's masterful use of rhythm. I probably wouldn't try to dance to it, unless I were trying to make people laugh -- or cry. Have you ever seen me dance? Not suitable for youtube....

2007-08-04 04:31:38 · answer #2 · answered by glinzek 6 · 1 0

Rhythm IS a key reason...and the slow movement is only part of the magic of this work.

All four movements use dance rhythms of different types...and (my opinion) I feel buoyed up whenever I hear it. I personally feel it it one of his greatest works...

2007-08-04 03:13:37 · answer #3 · answered by blktiger@pacbell.net 6 · 0 0

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