I am looking for objective opinions what do you think about this?

Question

http://kentroversypapers.blogspot.com/2006/01/its-just-game-its-just-game.html

I followed this up only to find that this is real and these cards were published in 95. The gamer himself was under investigation by the secret service.
http://www.sjgames.com/SS/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jackson_Games,_Inc._v._United_States_Secret_Service

Can you explain it?

Answer 1

I tried my best to use critical thinking while I was checking this stuff out and here's what I think.

The World Trade Center is a target for any disaster scenario. Example: The WTC Bombings in 1993. It's so obvious that there is really no mystique attached to the fact that in a game like this the WTC would be a prime target, and that includes the card of the Pentagon as well. The Pentagon is a fantasy target of any terrorist.

His explanation for the card showing the two towers, one cracking in half (and I'll capitalize the next word like he did) EXACTLY like it did in 2001 is a terribly weak argument. It shoots itself down by the very fact that no matter how well planned, no one could predict which direction the tower would fall, yet he attempts to use it as proof it was planned.

Flying planes into buildings is not a new concept, and certainly wasn't a new idea in 1995. Anyone's imagination could have come up with that - or bombings, or nukes, or biological warfare. Especially when putting together a game like that guy did. I don't buy it. Too many other explanations for what he shows us. In fact, the only two cards I really took seriously were the towers and the Pentagon. The others were too easily attributable to something else altogether.

By the way, this was the most interesting question I've answered in days, thank you.

EDIT: I have to note something about the use of the term "Ground Zero." It was indeed born out of the nuclear bomb, but has since been used to describe any point of explosion, as well as being used to describe the sites of natural disasters, such as earthquakes and hurricanes. There is nothing mysterious about the use of this term.

2nd EDIT:
Hi dumdum. Here, please check out this link to information about a movie that was released in the year 2000 called Ground Zero (and retitled as California Quake) that was about a massive earthquake in California.

http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0213690/releaseinfo

3rd EDIT:
LOL Okay dumdum. But let me get this straight. You want me to believe, despite all the other nonevidence, that this ONE thing, the use of the term "Ground Zero" proves a theory that really has no other basis in fact? Would you care to address the rest of what I pointed out? I'd be glad to discuss it. :-) This is a very interesting subject - I wish we had a true debate forum to talk about this further in real time. Just as in all the other theories about 9/11 conspiracies, I do take the time to check them out, do my own research, and come to my own conclusions. So far, I have found no real evidence convincing me of some heinous plot by our government. All the other questions - about the structure of the towers, etc. have all been answered quite logically by experts addressing the conspiracy theories. This was a new one to me, so I'm looking at it closely as well. I can't rest my case on the use of one term such as Ground Zero. I need more concrete evidence to begin to believe such a theory. If it can be supplied other than theories about a game in which the scenarios are not new ones, and have been used before in real life and previous books before 1995, then I'm willing to listen. Doesn't logic enter into this at all? Even if it was the first time this phrase was used as a description other than for nukes it begs the question as to why the conspirators would have then used the phrase at all, if they wanted to allay suspicions. Do we even know who named the WTC Ground Zero to begin with? Please, give me something concrete to hold onto and I'll be glad to listen and consider. Thanks!

Answer 2

Tom Clancy published a book around the same time about a pilot crashing a 747 into a joint session of Congress, wiping out the entire government literally in one fell swoop.

They got up there and swore that nobody could imagine anything like crashing planes into buildings, but of course people had imagined it. It had happened. A B-25 bomber crashed into the Empire State Building in the 1940's.

My objective opinion is that the dude is something of an agitator (in itself not necessarily a bad thing), and that the Secret Service raid had nothing to do with that Illuminati game. It's hard to say what it WAS about, but neither of the other two sources you cite mentions the game, either (strangely, not even wiki)


Now it gets SUBjective...the part from the other two sources about "a text file, stolen from Bell South, containing information about the E911 emergency response system. The file only contained administrative contact information, and Bell South later had to admit in court that they sold copies to the public for $13. However, the government agents feared that the stolen document could be used to teach crackers how to compromise the vital E911 system (a claim that is disputed due to the non-technical nature of the document".

What's with this E-NINE ELEVEN business???

Further evidence that Bell South, the Secret Service, AND the Illuminati were in on the plot????



just kidding.

Answer 3

In my unbiased opinion, the website poster drew "hine sight" conclusions from cards that displayed things that were in existence before, during, and after the time they were created.

He drew FEMA out of the CDC and the WTC out of a Nuke card??? I fail to see the correlation myself. I did not read it in great detail so this response comes from a cursory read of the provided link. It appears that this person had a pre-drawn conclusion and therefor saw his conclusion within the cards. Please feel free to point out more details that I may have overlooked in the link.


edit: The site states: "...Nine cards of the one-hundred that come with the game all are related in some way to the horrible events of 9/11..."

I definitely do NOT see a direct correlation between the nine cards and 9/11. This is a stretch to say the least.

My conclusion is simple, people scoff at Bible Prophecies which are very detailed in their declaration of future events. Yet they cling to sketchy writings that could mean a slew of different things.

There IS a group of evil, amoral, greedy and powerful men that do desire to own the world, and are succeeding. Yet, there is nothing that I, or anyone else can do to stop them. So why lose sleep? Even the Bible spoke of this when written over 3000 years ago. I simply doubt that the cards are related to 9/11 in any fashion. I also doubt that the attack on 9/11 was a US led venture.

Answer 4

The Illuminati have LONG been associated with international conspiracy theories.
I first heard of them in1974 and read a LOT about them in publications distributed through the John Birch Society.
They were old news then.
So far, no one has been able to establish credible evidence against them or any of the other similar societies.
It is either just another conspiracy theory or, they must be as powerful as the legends would make it appear.
My opinion? I'm STILL keeping an open mind, but am no longer spending chunks of my life chasing after what may also be a total wast of time.
PLEASE let me know if you can locate irrefutable PROOF!
This may not be a "best" answer but it IS my experience. Go for it if you want to use up a LOT of your precious time. I did!

Answer 5

Dude there's more evidence of a conspiracy on the attack on Pearl Harbor om 7 Dec 1941, 80% percent of the Pacific fleet happened to be out on a training exercise? and that's pretty far fetched, than there is on 9-11, just another liberal speading there hate propoganda, dude get a life. I guess the terror attcks during the 90's are all a conspricy done by Clinton 2??? and I can't stand Clinton even though he did nothing about these terror attacks, before and after they occerred, I highly doubt he let these Terror attacks happen, Khobar Towers 19 Airman wounded 300 injured, U.S. Embassy Bombing in 98, U.S.S. Cole in 2000, 93 World Trade center bombings???

Answer 6

Well, first off -- if you're looking for objective opinions, you're definitely looking for the wrong thing -- opinions are subjective, by their very nature.

Secondly, I think that it's ok for Steve Jackson (who is the game designer, NOT the "gamer), to have created Illuminati. I've never plaid it, and I'm not personally a huge fan of Steve Jackson, or anything -- but, I can tell you . . . "Rather I agree with what he has to say, or not, it's my job to defend is right to say it."

Answer 7

Thanks, Born in the USA! One of my answers was based on your question!

Q: Why is it when someone post a 9/11 question?
about how it could be a inside job and have credible proof people always have to disrespect them.


A: Because they can't think for themselves and make coherent arguments, so they attack. Someone' previous question touched upon a good point. The area where of the Twin Towers collapse has been referred to as "Ground Zero." Until 9/11, "ground zero" was a term used to specify nuclear attacks. So why use this term is describing what happened on 9/11? People at or near the site are are suffering and dying of all kinds of blood and organ cancers and radiation levels have been detected at the site. Weeks after the Twin Towers came down, there have been hot spots with temperatures of over 1000 degrees fahrenheit. What does that tell you?

From Wikipedia:
History of term
The origins of the term "Ground Zero" began with the Manhattan Project and the bombing of Japan. The Oxford English Dictionary, citing the use of the term in a 1946 New York Times report on the destroyed city of Hiroshima, defines “ground zero” as “that part of the ground situated immediately under an exploding bomb, especially an atomic one.”

The term was military slang— used at the Trinity site where the weapon tower for the first nuclear weapon was at point 'zero'— and moved into general use very shortly after the end of World War II.


[edit] Hiroshima and Nagasaki
Relating to a specific event, the term was first used to refer to the devastation caused by the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki [1].


[edit] The Pentagon
The Pentagon, the headquarters of the U.S. Department of Defense in Arlington, Virginia was thought of as the most likely target of a nuclear missile strike during the Cold War. The open space in the center is informally known as ground zero, and a snack bar located at the center of this plaza is named the "Ground Zero Cafe."


[edit] World Trade Center
The term was used to describe the former site of the World Trade Center of New York City, which was destroyed in the September 11, 2001 attacks. Its appropriation and dissemination by the mainstream North American media was rapid, as by September 16, 2001, even the purportedly circumspect New York Times had adopted it. Rescue workers preferred the phrase "The Pile", referring to the pile of rubble that was left after the buildings collapsed.

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Card from a card game created in 1995:
http://www.http://www.metatech.org/Images/WTC%20card%20game.jpg


Edit: They censored my link to that card, but I got around it! Chi Guy, maybe someone was inspired by the scenarios displayed on these cards rather than the creator of the game having foreknowledge. Which came first? Creepy.

Elway, look at the history of the term. It has never been used for a supposed non-nuclear attack until 9/11. Look it up in Wiki. Then it was used during Katrina (makes you wonder about the accounts of hearing explosions by the levys--no, just exploding transformers!). I live in CA and we NEVER use that term for earthquakes--we use "epicenter."

Elway, thanks for that movie reference--you've just proven my point! That movie is about earthquakes--caused by underground nuclear explosions by some "evil corporation!" LOL, check it out for yourself!
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0213690/

Answer 8

We've all heard about this at one time or another and it does give one a jolt. I have to say, "I don't know" to this one and won't try to rationalize an answer. It's a bit of a challenge and will cause one to think.

Hi dumdum...Yes I saw this posted earlier.

Answer 9

What I've heard is that it was being televised before it occurred.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/americas/2001/day_of_terror/
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2007/280207timestamp.htm
http://jonesreport.com/articles/270207_bbc_lost_response.html
http://digg.com/politics/BBC_Reported_Building_7_Had_Collapsed_20_Minutes_Before_It_Fell?t=5431584

I think that a careful watch is needed to prepare for the future.

Answer 10

interesting, thanks