i think that it is ironic that so many ppl demonize Germany during ww2...?

Question

Germany invaded many european nations. however many of these nations had done the exact same thing to many other nations as well. such as france and england. england did some real brutal things to many other nations in the past. and right after ww2 was over france was trying to regain her colonies in algeria and vietnam.

yeah yeah, i know all about the holocaust and all the horrible things that happend, but i think its great that these other european nations that were attacked by germany. it was time that they got what they deserved.

robert i already mentioned the holocaust you idiot. that is not my point dumbass. just look what the jews do today to the arabs. very simaler to what the nazis did to them. of course not the same nothing is ever the same but there are parallels to it.

Answer 1

~ Robert, Robert, Robert - at least learn something of language and history before going off on a quasi-pedantic rant.

The Nazis didn't start the war. That was done by the Treaty of Versailles. Read a little of what Woody Wilson was saying at the time the treaty was "negotiated". The rest of Europe and Washington were not displeased with the Nazi rise to power. It stabilized Germany and created a natural buffer against Stalin and the Soviets. There was a reason that Hitler was named "Man of the Year" in 1938 by Time Magazine.

Your totals on the camps are woefully lacking. The actual total is closer to 18 million. Of them, only about 6 million were Jews and only half of those died in the death camps. (Do learn to distinguish between the death camps and the concentration camps, by the way.) Jasenovac had the highest body count of the death camps after only Auschwitz II (Birkenau) and Belzek. Jasenovac was not established to kill Jews and the Jews comprise a small minority of those who did die there. The camp totals don't take into account the millions of Russians, Serbs, Slavs, Poles and Ukraines who were simply killed rather than marched off to processing centers. The world didn't care what was going on with the Jews at the time (and the documentation is irrefutable that the world knew). Any number of pronouncements and actions from the capitals of Europe and Washington prove this beyond the shadow of a doubt. The saddest part of the "Holocaust" is that most of the victims are forgotten. The Nazis were not about killing Jews to the exclusion of the rest of their targets and they did a much more complete job on the Serbs and Romas. The millions of Slavs who were scheduled for extinction were saved by Joe Stalin the Red Army. The US wasn't particularly concerned about the Nazis. With full knowledge of what was going on, the US congress decided to continue the draft by a single vote a few months before Pearl Harbor. Of course, Operation 14f13 had not been implemented at that time so the Final Solution was not an issue.

Hitler was anti-Jewish. That was a product of his education, his upbringing and over 1000 years of dogma from the Vatican and the ruling classes of Europe dating from before the Roman Empire. When you speak of anti-Semitic Arabs though, you kind of lose all credibility. (You pretty much lost any credibility when you couldn't even spell the word.) The Jews constitute a minority of the Semites in the world today. They are far outnumbered by their Arab cousins. (Point of fact: we know the present day "Palestinians" have no historical claim to "Palestine" as a traditional homeland because they, in fact, are Semites while the Palestinians who disappeared into Babylon before Persia took control of the region were not. Historic 'Palestinians' where extinct before Rome was founded.)

As for the nukes, I guess it's a good thing the German scientists who built the bomb decided to do it here, isn't it? But for Hitler's Jewish policy, they may have stayed home and built it there. As to the necessity, justification, legality and morality of dropping them, I'll let Dwight Eisenhower, Chester Nimitz, Douglas MacArthur, Robert Oppenheimer and Curtis Le May, among others who were more privy to the facts and circumstances than me (and than Harry Truman) speak for me, but I tend to agree with Le May that, if Japan won, he and Harry Truman would have been on the block for war crimes, and I surely can't argue with Chet, Ike and Mac, the commanders in the field, as to the total pointlessness and lack of military purpose of the attacks. The Japanese surrender was a foregone conclusion and the invasion of Japan would not have been necessary. If there was military purpose to the bombings, at least one of them would have been dropped on a militarily significant target and if saving US troop lives was an issue, one would think Japanese troop concentrations somewhere within 500 miles of the intended invasion route would have been somewhat close to ground zero. At least one of the next eleven planned drops would have been aimed at something of military significance, wouldn't you think? They weren't. The way Stalin and the Soviets were plowing through Manchuria signaled to Truman that Papa Joe and Mao needed an object lesson. Pity a couple generations of Japanese babies born with all manner of birth defects since the war that provided the lesson along with the quarter million or so Japanese civilians and 2 to 3 thousand American civilians and POWs who were incinerated. Mengele (if you are going to suggest that someone look something up, it would expedite the research if you could spell the name correctly) worked on live but condemned subjects. Truman went after the unborn.

However, it should make you feel better to know that the firebombing of Tokyo killed far more people (mostly civilians) than did either Fat Man or Little Boy and beyond Dresden, Germany had its share of firebombings, destroyed cities and dead civilians. At least in Germany, the bombings killed far fewer American civilians and POWs than were slaughtered by Enola Gay and Bokscar at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The Soviets did their part for you, too. Don't be sad. Stalin did for you what Patton couldn't. If you need a bigger lift, more German civilians died in the war than did German troops. If you take the Soviets and Poland out of the mix, more Germans, over half of whom were civilians, died in the war than did the rest of Europe combined. This should really make your day: Germans deaths outnumbered Japanese by about 4 to1, even with the nukes.

Finally, if you are going to condemn a nation and a people for its barbarism and savagery, take a good look at the USA. Heydrich and Himmler did. The modern world's first concentration camps were established in 1838 at Ross's Landing (Chattanooga, Tennessee), Fort Payne, Alabama, and Fort Cass (Charleston, Tennessee). Martin Van Buren called them "emigration depots". The Cherokee didn't really care what they were called - dead is dead by any name. The term "concentration camp" wasn't coined until the British came up with it during the Boer Wars some 60 years later. Heydrich and Himmler were pretty impressed with the activities of the US Bureau of Indian Affairs as well. The didn't particularly like the tactics of Billy Sherman and Nellie 'Bearcoat' Miles because that would cost too many bullets and allow the foe to make a pretense of fighting back, but they did learn the lessons of feeding the starving captives rotted, tainted meat and giving them smallpox infested blankets. Zyklon B was much more merciful. Fact: they got more than a few of their ideas from Uncle Sam and the Indians. They said that, not me.

To youyo: You are, of course, correct insofar as your accusations of France and Britain are concerned. However, the victor writes the history and it is so much easier to point fingers at others than to look at oneself. Since you fail to mention the US in your list of folks who have committed atrocities, and since the US is the first modern nation to have engaged in a prolonged campaign of genocide over a period spanning generations, you can see how well the propaganda works. (We'll leave the American slavery experiment out of the discussion for now, but you really should compare American slavery to that of other nations so you can appreciate how truly egregious it was.) Maybe that's why 98% of the American population bought into Georgie the Younger's rap 6 years ago that the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq were moral, legal and justified. This in spite of all the treaties and agreements the US has signed which preclude a preemptive war and in spite of the condemnation of the world before the troops went in and in spite of the fact that neither Iraq nor Afghanistan posed any threat to US security or interests, and in spite of the fact that the folks against whom the invasions were aimed had been US allies just a decade or so before. (The fact that history screamed out that neither war could be won and that the stated goals were not only out of reach but a sick joke simply makes that support all the more frightening - but gives a wonderful object lesson on how a man like Hitler can rise to power.) However, to be consistent with your logic that Hitler gave France and Britain what they deserved, I presume that you agree that 9/11 was a justified attack on a deserving target? After all, bin Ladin is but another spurned US ally, just like Saddam. US support of butchers like Shah Pahlavi, Saddam, Marcos, Diem and Nguyen Van Thieu , to name but a few, does not ingratiate Uncle Sam around the world.

Aside to cychuck1213: Germany, in terms of loss of life, was third, not second, hardest hit by the war, after the USSR and China. Poland trailed Germany by less than a quarter million. (proportionately speaking, Poland was hit harder.) If you count Soviet troops (10 million) as one group and Soviet civilians (15 million) as another, that pushes China to #3 and Germany to #4. The US, by comparison, lost fewer than 350 thousand. And Robert, before you go off an another rant that the Wehrmacht forces deserved it, US troops were just following orders in Nam and at My Lai and Panama and Granada, and Afghanistan and Iraq and Gitmo, too. The troops don't make policy. They follow orders or commit treason. Anyways, Stalin, after joining the Nazis in the invasion of Poland, was preparing his own invasion of Germany, so the European war would have happened with or without Hitler or Fall Weiss and Barbarossa.

Answer 2

O.K. you are all idiots. The Nazi's started WWII . It was their agressive ideology and the economic situation of the ime that allowed these anti-semetic pigs to come to power. People seem to have forgoten the Holocaust. I guess Hilter was right after all. Six million jews and countless gypsies, homosexuals, "non arayans", and political opponents; just don't count.As I recall he called it a statistic. I think the total is over 12 million people detroyed in the camps. While you are right that not all germans are evil just like all jews do not have big noses! Just look at the truth behind WWII it proves that Nazi Germany was evil not only by intent; but also by action. The Nazis machine gunned prisoners of war rather than paying the expense of prison camps. I mean why would they pay for prison camps (thay did have some prisoner of war camps) when they had to try to destoy the entire jewish population of the world. Evil, Yeah that is probably the best word to describe the people of Nazi Germany. The people knew what was happening or they just didn't care. Either way that make them all guilty. Actually it is truely a shame that only the people of Japan found out what an atom bomb can do. Berlin, Munich, any part of Germany would have been a perfect place to use multiple bombs. Maybe then we could all feel sorry for the German MONSTERS!!!!!!!!!!!!! Go look at the history books and see just what kind of evil they comitted. Most of the young poeple today think that Iraq, and Darfur are terrible. They think that abortion is wrong or that medical testing on animals is wrong. Well what do you call doing all those things being done to living breathing human beings???????(see Auschwitz, and Dr. Josef Mengle if you don't know waht this means) I would call that EVIL. If you do not see this as evil then I hope for your sake that the world never forgets what happened. Or maybe when it happens again it might be you.

Look JERK OFF the holocaust proves that the Nazis were EVIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That should end the story. You are either very young or just very stupid. I hope that it is the later. Maybe some one can teach you some manners otherwise. Oh and about what the Jews are doing to the Arabs? Take a look at a map moron. Israel is surounded by Arabs. The main goal of all the "arab" states is the destruction of Israel. You must be an anti-semite. Only an anti-sematic moron or an arab could be as closed minded as you. Oh by the way **** Off Jerk.

Answer 3

The average Wermacht soldier fought for their country as did the British, American, and Russia soldier. Most Americans realize this and demonize Hitler, Himmler, Georing, the SS, and the Holocaust. If it were a nation vs nation war and no racial extermination were involved, Germany wouldn't have such a black eye from World War II (although France and Britain are to blame for the rise of Hitler because of the harsh peace imposed upon Germany in the Treaty of Versailles).

Answer 4

The demonization of Nazi Germany was more about their motives than their actions. Sure, every major power in Europe had commited it's share of atrocities over the centuries. But they'd all generally done it for the "good of the empire". The Nazis set out to exterminate groups of people, just to do it.

Also, part of the level of demonization is because of the changing times. It wasn't acceptable any more to simply kill off your enemies. And it wasn't acceptable to deliberately, or callously sacrifice soldiers any more. So the public out cry was much higher than it would have been only 50 years earlier. Also, don't forget that this was the second time in 25 years that Germany had gotten involved in a major war that engulfed all of Europe.

Answer 5

uuuhh my country (Belgium) never invaded another nation (even Congo...it was the property of king Leopold II who donated it to Belgium) but we were invaded three times by Germany...

My grandfather, Belgian soldier, went to a war prisonner camp and was sent to Dachau in 1943...He came back changed forever.

So I will ever hate WWII Germany.

At some kilometers from my house, there is a rock. This rock is marked :

"Ici fut arrêté l'envahisseur, Hiver 1944-1945".
Translated : "Here was stop the invader, Winter 1944-1945".
It stands as a memorial for the Ardennes Offensives, stopped by young US GIs.

at exactly 12km from here, there is another memorial, in the town of Bande:

"Ici furent tués 34 fils de l'Ardennes" translated : "Here were killed 34 sons of the Ardennes"...they were about twenty years old. Killed because they were young men in a time of war. The reaction of the first allied soldier who saw that was "but...Why ?"

So...Will you say me my fellow citizens deserved that ?

You speak about the holocaust...did you ever visit such a camp ? I can only advice to visit one...You will see the ultimate Evil...a place designed, build and maintained to destroy human beings.

If you are in USA, visit Arlington and look...look at the age of all the young men laying there. Look at the men killed in WWII...all these men went to defeat one the greatest perils of mankind : the national-socialist Germany and its concept of superiority.

You speak about the brutal things done by the Brits (I guess you are talking about the colonial wars) Is it normal to punish future generations for the errors or the bad conduct of past ?

About France, Algeria, governed by France, was a country where peace was established...we can see now all the killings happening since more than a decade. In Vietnam...as usual, it was not a war of liberation (as told) but a war against the French AND the vietnamese people to setup a communist government.

Sorry but I can't understand you.

Answer 6

I tend to think things like... if he would just move to left just a hair I would blow...oh God this is good...if I do this he is gonna... if I am thinking about where are my keys, then I need to find a new playmate. I have to say I have never fantasized about another man when I am with a man. I do however when I am playing by myself... I am a single woman by the way. Have to agree with the role playing comments from the other women... If you are not totally there, don't be there at all.

Answer 7

Well, cychuck1213, I suppose it's true that the German troops were fighting for their country. It was, however, unfortunate that they decided that "their country" included Poland, Russia, France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Denmark, Norway, Luxembourg, Greece, Yugoslavia, western portions of Egypt, Crete, current-day Ukraine, Moldova, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Belarus, and Tunisia.

Answer 8

Let's not forget, its AMERICA which makes propoganda still today which shows how "evil" Germany was. Ask any English veteran now, theyll tell you the Germans were doing the same as them, fighting for their country. Thats what they were, not demonic or devillish, just men fighting for their country. The americans are the ones to blame to the largest extent, but I agree. I feel sympathy for the Germans, the second hardest hit in WW2.