I agree with the above. WHY? Why were the courts involved with your kids in the first place? Maybe they we trying to protect the kids from a bad environment.
The courts have a duty of care to protect the kids. So do you and I suspect you failed?
I don't know the facts of the case because you are not telling us the important details. WHY?
Based on that I suspect the judge made the right decision and should be applauded. The court has a duty of care to your kids if the think they are in a bad environment or at risk. It sounds like they clearly do as they don't act lightly.
EDIT - sorry, but I have read your post 3 times now and I believe you are grossly misrepresenting the facts to try and gain sympathy. You describe it as a quick in and out 5 min process and that’s it. Well, that is BS. The process takes many many months and involves all kinds of case workers, social workers and others to come to a decision like this. Unless the circumstances are so BAD that they must act straight away and involving the Police. Whatever your problem is (including your attitude that everyone owes you respect) you should sort it out and turn your life around. Then you may get your kids back.
2007-08-02 11:11:31
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answered by Jack 3
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You are a bitter woman, because you've described something that any lawyer knows is impossible but you probably don't even see yourself as having done anything wrong. There's nothing wrong with that, it's just human nature.
Judges, like anyone, get it wrong occasionally, and sometimes they're a little too harsh on people who aren't represented. What he won't have done though is make a final order about your kids without expert reports having been considered, several hearings already to determine the interim arrangements, interviews and visits between CAFCASS / Social Services, grandparents, your partner, the kids' other parent etc etc etc. Making out like you went into a courtroom for five minutes, he took a disliking to you, and determined your kids' entire future just isn't how it works. The Judge wouldn't have even been given the paperwork or a hearing date set before those steps were taken.
If you think the decision was wrong then you should appeal, but what you should do is get a third person, not necessarily a lawyer - it could even just be friend or neighbour who you trust, to go through all the paperwork with you and give you their honest, neutral opinion. Emotions always run high when your children are involved, and there may be something that you're missing.
The hearing before the judge will have been tape recorded, and there's been a recent Court of Appeal decision where judges who were rude to unrepresented people were firmly rapped on the knuckles. So if you think his opinion of you made a difference to his decision, and this was unfair, then appeal. Court staff will tell you what form to fill in. Again, sit down with a friend and fill it in.
Almost everyone is entitled to a "Mackenzie Friend" in court, where you're allowed a friend to go in with you and take notes, and point things out to you and so forth. This is even the case in family cases which are held behind closed doors.
Good luck.
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Another point to make is that it's never "final" - you can always make another application to the court if you think your circumstances have changed.
2007-08-02 20:30:38
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answered by Joe 5
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Why did you end up in court in the first place? There is no way that if would have got this far based on a judge not liking you. For a start the social services will have been involved at some time and then they would have had an investigation before they even put your children on the at risk register. They take children away from their parents as a last resort!
jon449 - Not since about 1972 they havent!! That is the biggest load of rubbish ever, whether the parents (or step father) is married or not makes no baring on the case. It is whether the children are being placed in danger and not being properly looked after that counts
2007-08-03 02:42:40
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answered by Lady Claire - Hates Bigotry 6
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so why were you in court?
edit* jb hit the nail on the head.
edit: i have been looking through your q/a and when you answered "what would you do if you won the lottery jackpot"your answer was:
I would invest a lump sum for my daughter. I would set up a
trust fund for any future grandchild I may have. Then I would go out and buy my dream ya ht which is currently running at about 3 million. I would also build 20 Houses which I would let out. of Course a brand new wardrobe , a couple of pairs of Manolo's, and a few Gugghi handbags. My own spa. well that should keep me going for awhile.
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Fiona M
i thought you said you had children not A child.
2007-08-02 19:01:42
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answered by Anonymous
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good luck i hope it all turns out ok but it seems women in our situation get treated badly for some reason and you should appeal good luck actually jb you are wrong even good mums lose there kids because of the courts i have been there as well and my kids have not been taken from me because im a bad parent even sex offenders are allowed to see there kids i had a very bad relationship with nasty man and he used the courts to make me look bad . and im not. i was also told i was a good mum but that never counted or helped me the whole family court thing needs sorting out for the parents and the kids that are put in the middle
2007-08-02 21:31:25
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answered by NICOLA C 1
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J. Goldsack sounds like the name of a porn star. Anyway, I'm assuming you're in England...if not I appologize. As for my 2cents I think that you should'nt be bullied by some pompous az judge and admire you for standing up to the legal system and the "powers that be" As a card-carying life member of the NRA and a veteran of Op.Enduring Freedom, I understand and sympathize with you and your rights as a citizen.
2007-08-02 18:01:14
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answered by colonelbrimstone 1
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This sounds awful but its really hard to comment because I don't know the full facts of your case.
There have been some serious miscarraiges of justice in the British courts such as the woman who was wrongly accused of killing her babies (when they tragically died of natural causes) and had to spend time in prison for it. No amount of compensation on earth could make up for what that poor woman went through.
This Judge sounds really really out of order if he made such a horrible and harsh judgement because he didn't like you answering back. You must appeal, don't let this little Hitler get away with it. Take it to the European Court of Human Rights if you have to.
My thoughts are with you and your children.
2007-08-02 17:58:33
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answered by Anonymous
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Maybe the fact that you were living with a guy to which you were not married? Courts tend to take a dim view of this when there are children around!
Check your own questions of the past, you said you were living with a guy for 3 years.
2007-08-02 21:44:26
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answered by jonn449 6
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I think it is disgusting that people like this judge, have a right on our life. I really hope you find a way to see your children, and that you find people around you who can help you.
But what did you do to end up in court in the first place?
2007-08-02 17:55:25
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answered by Maon 3
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Appeal Appeal Appeal - no matter what - children need both the mother and father in their lives. Its how nature intended for it to happen and for someone to feel so offended and banning you from your kids is a dispicable act by the judge who feels he has been shamed and thus wants to redeem his honour
2007-08-02 17:53:30
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answered by Anonymous
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