2007-08-01 06:50:17 · 37 answers · asked by PsychoDad 2 in Sports ➔ Baseball
OK
All of you with TUNNELVISION.
The question was phrased "AS A PLAYER."
That means everything else is not a determining factor in the question.
(ie. bannishment, gambling, lying etc.)
2007-08-01 08:26:15 · update #1
He was probably the best player on the "Big Red Machine" teams. Just about all of the rest of them are in the Hall of Fame.
He may have even been the best "all around" player in the history of baseball.
His managerial antics aside, as a player, he definitely should be in the Hall of Fame right nxt to the rest of his Cincy Teammates.
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2007-08-01 07:07:38 · answer #1 · answered by dirftwood22 6 · 8⤊ 7⤋
As a life long Pete Rose fan I must say NO he should not be in the HOF. Kenesaw Mountain Landis and the 1919 White Sox set that precedent that baseball only has 1 rule that will result in expulsion for life. Gambling and damaging the integrity of the game. He, along with every other player (there are signs in every clubhouse), know the rules and he chose to violate them. Sorry Pete 4256 hits and a gambling problem won't get you in the Hall.
2007-08-01 09:37:35 · answer #2 · answered by KMack 2 · 1⤊ 1⤋
Well, he certainly doesn't deserve it as a manager, because he wasn't very good at that role.
On his merits as a player, Rose was Hall-class; that's not even an interesting question. Obviously he is ineligible.
But realize how the Hall functions. Those players, managers, and others are conferred the honor of the Hall's recognition as PEOPLE who made significant contributions to baseball, and their primary roles within baseball acknowledged as part of the honor. Those who are cast upon the bronze plaques are accorded the game's HIGHEST personal honor.
Rose, and this is completely his own doing, is in a state of disgrace. There is no rational way whatsoever to reconcile bestowing the game's highest individual honor upon such a person.
So, player, manager, batting practice pitcher, team president, bat boy, front office coffee gofer, none of that matters. The Hall honors the person, and Rose, by his own hand, is unworthy of that honor.
Rose supporters and apologists continue to have far more regard for his career than he did.
2007-08-01 08:50:06 · answer #3 · answered by Chipmaker Authentic 7 · 1⤊ 3⤋
YES!
I still dont understand this, he should be in the HOF as a PLAYER not as a manager.
I mean the guy had over 4,000 hits even if he had bet as a manager he should be in the hall of fame!
2007-08-01 10:02:04 · answer #4 · answered by #1 New York Yankees Fan 6 · 1⤊ 2⤋
Let's look at the evidence against Rose shall we.
1. Former federal prosecutor John Dowd uncovered evidence of Rose's gambling activity, including the placement of bets with bookies tied to organized crime.
2. While denying he bet on baseball, Rose admitted in a 1989 deposition to illegal betting on college and pro basketball and NFL games.
3. Signed an agreement with commissioner A. Bartlett Giamatti on Aug. 23, 1990, in which he was declared permanently ineligible in accordance with Major League Rule 21.
4. Rose writes a book looking for pity from the public.
This man was justly banned from baseball.
You people really need to check you morals and ask yourself does someone like this belong in the hall of fame with greats of the game? No he does not and he knows it.
These are facts buddy so deal with it.
TUNNELVISION? Give me a break! The guy was banned by MLB with no regrets whatsoever. So I guess MLB and anyone that does not go along with what you have to say has TUNNELVISION. What are you 6? Grow up.
He's not getting in how's that!
2007-08-01 08:24:53 · answer #5 · answered by Lord Vader 2 · 6⤊ 4⤋
Yes. Career hits leader, hustled all the time, one of the best. Aside from the personal issues no reason he should not be in the hall.
2007-08-01 08:53:40 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 3⤊ 1⤋
100% yes! This is not even debatable! he will be someday but if all the B.S. that happened hadn't then he was a guaranteed 1st ballot!
Added: Whiny *** people "OH he gambled on the game!" So what!!! Do his stats make him worthy? Hell yes! I don't like him either but he was a baseball playing machine and the fact that he bet doesn't take that away from him! EVER! How do you know Babe Ruth didn't bet on games or Walter Johnson or Hank Aaron? How do you know they didn't? You don't! Just like the whole steroid thing how do we really know guys back in the 60's and 70's didn't do them since they have been around since the 50's or is it you are just trying to whine about something. Boo Hoo "He's cheating or he doing things that go against the integrity of the game." Hello reality check that has been going on in all sports since they were 1st invented. I am sure 2 days after the sport of baseball was 1st seen someone was thinking of a way to hit the ball further by using a different kind of wood or adding something to it. Please stop with the whining already! Cheating sucks but it is a part of everyday life and that also applies to the ****** 3 offices down who throws out an important memo for you so he can get the promotion! Remember some people just don't care about other human beings!
2007-08-01 07:26:07 · answer #7 · answered by mrjamfy 4 · 4⤊ 8⤋
NO - as long as he gambled on baseball, I don't care whether he was a player or not. I wouldn't care if had 5,000 hits, 800 home runs, 20 gold gloves and donated a kidney to some poor dying kid. He broke the biggest rule that baseball has, and he has to pay the price for it. Whether he broke the rule as a manager or a player. (and how sure are you that he wasn't betting while he was still an active player - he was still playing in 1986, and was banned in 1989) he did it. I have no pity at all for him. This was not a mistake, he deliberately broke the rules. I have never been to the Hall, but hope to some day. However, if they were ever to induct him, I would make sure never to go.
2007-08-01 07:01:24 · answer #8 · answered by artistictrophy@sbcglobal.net 4 · 6⤊ 6⤋
Obviously as a player because he is the all time hits leader. Too bad he will never get in, the cheater. lol
2007-08-01 08:58:19 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 3⤊ 1⤋
Dear Dad,
I have a mixed thought process for Mr Rose.
He gambled, should not have but that is way in the past.
The part that would keep me from voting FOR his inclusion? He lied and lied and lied. If he had owned up to it then I might have it in me to vote "Yes". But he "spilled his guts" only after it became apparent that his lying was doing no good and that his falsehoods kept him from the Hall. Many great players have not made it - he shouldn't be included in a Hall of Fame when he dishonored the members in it through his untruths.
2007-08-01 07:04:15 · answer #10 · answered by Pete W 5 · 6⤊ 5⤋