Can you beat this All-Time team featuring the Penguins?

Question

1st Line:

C:Mario Lemieux
RW: Jaromir Jagr
LW: Kevin Stevens
D: Paul Coffey
D: Ulf Samuelsson
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2nd Line:

C: Sidney Crosby
RW: Mark Recchi
LW: Evgeni Malkin
D: Sergei Gonchar
D: Larry Murphy
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3rd Line:

C: Ron Francis
RW: Joe Mullen
LW: Jordan Staal
D: Sergei Zubov
D: Kevin Hatcher
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4th Line:

C: Brian Trottier
RW: Rick Tocchet
LW: Gary Roberts
D: Ron Stackhouse
D: Darius Kasparaitis

G: Tom Barrasso

Coach: Bob Johnson

Now obviously, we are talking about these players in their prime. This should provide some awesome comparisons with other All-Time great franchises like Edmonton, New York Islanders, Montreal, Boston, and I'm sure many others...so, impress me!

I know one thing...I'd keep your head up when that 4th line was out there...if you valued your life...

Hey scumbag Loblaw: Shouldn't you be out stalking someone? Speaking of 'peabrain', why don't you use yours and answer the question tough guy? I think that team is as good as any...so after you take your weekly shower later, put your money where your cavity filled mouth is.

Zapcity: I was trying to fit the lines according to the players. I like the Recchi's speed to compliment Sid's on that line.

Gilbert: 431 goals and 457 assists ain't too shabby...Roberts on a line with ultimate tough guy Tocchet and Brian Trottier who had a mean streak, too, would be a scary sight.

As for Barrasso, he was 369-277-86 with 38 shutouts and and a 3.23 G.A.A....Not to mention, the Penguins really didnt focus on defense too much when he played there...they left Barrasso on his own many nights and were content to just outscore everyone with that unbelievably potent offense of theirs. I think his numbers were pretty good.

Like I'm telling you:

Well stated. However, there are reasons I have who I have on this team. I would have posted the list of guys left off but I ran out of time to do so the other day.

I know Malkin and Staal have only been here for one year, but I see something in both that I think will justify them both being on this team without question after their career's are over.

Staal, by the way, scored more goals (29-27) than some guy named Jagr in his rookie season, and even admitted that he needed time to catch up to the speed of the game passing wise. I think you'll see a much improved overall player in Jordan this season.

As for Malkin, it had to be difficult to play with everyone not knowing the language that great and he still performed to Calder Trphy winning status, not to mention his speed and sniping compliments him well on Sid's line.

Pronovost and Kehoe were very good players, and you could even include Michel Briere in that mix based on how good he might have been, but Roberts and Mullen both have more goals, and Mullen was just a gritty guy who just seemed to be in the right place at the right time, and if he is with Ron Francis, arguably one of the games greatest passers ever, would have no problem finding Mullen and Staal at all. As for Roberts, well, he can score and he adds a physicality to the game that is awesome...think the Senators got the message when he almost killed Volchenkov with 30 seconds left in game 5? He doesn't quit, EVER, neither does ultimate tough guy Rick Tocchet, who came back to score a goal after having his jaw WIRED SHUT. Having those two on the ice with a Hall of Famer and a noted mean streak as well in Brian Trottier, and you will have one hell of a scary 4th line!

Now, perhaps I made a mistake not including Burrows and Carlisle, but I paired a puck moving, point scoring defencemen with a guy who would protect the defensive side of the ice while the other 4 worked their magic up ice. Having guys who will knock you into next month protecting the blue line in Kaspar and Ulf are necessities. Perhaps I should have included one of those two over Kevin Hatcher, but Hatcher was by far a better goal scorer than both combined.

So, thank you for your contributions, but I'm sticking with this team.

'31 years of being a Penguins fan and some pretty good sports knowledge overall'

Oh, and I'd take Recchi over Pronovost 365 days a year...maybe I'd go the other way one day during a leap year, but I doubt it.

Answer 1

This isn't even close to being the best team a Pittsburgh franchise could put out.

Where's Randy Carlyle? Norris Trophy winner in 1980-81, and 3rd on Pittsburgh's Defense scoring? And certainly better than Darius Kasparaitus, Ulf Samuelsson, Kevin Hatcher.

Where's Dave Burrows? Played in 3 All-Star games as a Penguin and in 1978, and Guy Lafleur called him the toughest defenceman he ever played against? Again, most knowledgable hockey people would put Burrows ahead of Kasparaitus and Samuelsson.

Where's Pierre Larouche? The first 50 goal scorer in Penguin's history...and the 3rd highest goals per game average in team history? Pierre Larouche was a far more important Penguin centre than Brian Trottier.


Where is Jean Pronovost (RW)? First 100 point scorer in Penguins history. Third on the teams all-time goal list, 3rd on the teams all-time goal list, 4th on the teams all-time points list. Higher PPG as a Penguin than Tocchet and Mullen, and far more important a Right Winger than Mark Recchi.

Where's Rick Kehoe (RW)? 4th in goals (4 behind Pronovost), 3rd in Points. Again, a higher PPG than Mullen and Tocchet, and more important than Recchi.

I see you had some Left Wing Problems. Malkin's a natural centre, not a winger. Jordan Staal? Gary Roberts? These are on the list of ultimate Penguins? Jordan Staal is classed as a good player around the NHL......don't let his rookie season fool you....but he does not belong on the Penguins list of all time Left Wingers. Staal had 42 points in 81 games. Barely half a point a game. Another decent left winger also scored 42 points for the Penguins, only needed 46 games...and by the way, this one will be in the Hall of Fame some day (his name was Luc Robitaille). Yes, if despaeration was needed to find a Penguins Left Winger.........I'd take Luc over Jordan.

I'll help you with your LW problem. Lowell MacDonald. More goals than Malkin, Staal and Roberts combined point totals. First 40 goal scorer in penguins history. First Penguin to reach 100 career goals. Has a career PPG as a Penguin of just under 1.00 (306 pts in 328 games). A far better and more important Left Winger to Pittsburgh than Staal or Roberts (the latter two well below a point a game pace for their careers).

Answer 2

I'd have Mullen ahead of recchi on the depth chart. I'll give this a shot.

NY Rangers

Unit 1 W. Gretzky, J. Jagr, B. Shanahan, B. Leetch, B. Park

Unit 2 M. Messier, A. Kovalev, R. Gilbert, S. Zubov, F. Boucher

Unit 3 J. Ratelle, P. Bure, T. Sandstrom, H. Howell, R. Ruotsalainen

Unit 4 A. Graves, T. Domi, E. Tikkanen, R. Greschner, D. Harvey

Goal M. Richter, E. Giacomin

Coach: Herb Brooks
GM: Craig Patrick

A bit unfair since the Rangers are usually the last stop for aging stars, but this list is comprised of guys who contributed when they were in ny. Bure and Tikkanen (he did win a cup) might have been a reach.

I also had the luxury of dipping into 40 years more history with this squad, but I tried to be fair. I also left Kasperaitis and Samuelsson off of my list, but Zubov did start with the Rangers and Jagr has had 2 solid seasons there. Never realized how much crossover there was between the 2 clubs. That list will be for another day...

Answer 3

Red wings ALL HALL OF FAME TEAM Assuming all were in there primes
1st Line
Howe-Yzerman-Abel

Lidstrom- Paul Coffey

2nd
Lidnsay-Larionov(When heplayed in russia)-Hull

Chelios- Murphy
3rd.
Devlechio-Federov- Shanahan

Konstantinov- Fetisov

4th
Robitalle- Datsyuk- Zetterberg

Ulf Sammuelson- Red Kelly

Goalies- Sawchuk
Hasek


Or **** just send this team out Sid Abel, C/LW, 1938-52, inducted 1969
Marty Barry, C, 1935-39, inducted 1965
Andy Bathgate, RW, 1965-67, inducted 1978
Johnny Bucyk, LW, 1955-57, inducted 1981
Paul Coffey, D, 1993-96, inducted 2004
Roy Conacher, LW, 1946-47, inducted 1998
Alex Delvecchio, LW/C, 1951-73, inducted 1977
Marcel Dionne, C, 1971-75, inducted 1992
Viacheslav Fetisov, D, 1995-98, inducted 2001
Bill Gadsby, D, 1961-66, inducted 1970
Eddie Giacomin, G, 1975-78, inducted 1987
Ebbie Goodfellow, D, 1929-43, inducted 1963
Doug Harvey, D, 1967, inducted 1973
George Hay, LW, 1927-31 & 1932-33, inducted 1958
Gordie Howe, RW, 1946-71, inducted 1972
Syd Howe, LW, 1934-46, inducted 1965
Red Kelly, D/C, 1947-60, inducted 1969
Herbie Lewis, D, 1928-39, inducted 1989
Ted Lindsay, LW, 1944-57 & 1964-65, inducted 1966
Harry Lumley, G, 1944-50, inducted 1980
Larry Murphy, D, 1997-2001, inducted 2004
Reg Noble, 1927-32, inducted 1962
Brad Park, D, 1983-85, inducted 1988
Marcel Pronovost, D, 1950-67, inducted 1978
Bill Quackenbush, D, 1942-49, inducted 1976
Borje Salming, D, 1989-90, inducted 1996
Terry Sawchuk, G, 1949-55, 1957-64, & 1968-69, inducted 1971
Earl Seibert, D, 1943-46, inducted 1963
Darryl Sittler, C, 1984-85, inducted 1989
"Black" Jack Stewart, D, 1938-50, inducted 1964
Tiny Thompson, G, 1938-40, inducted 1959
Norm Ullman, C, 1955-68, inducted 1982

Only Datsyuk Zetterberg and Sammuelson are not Hall of famers ( Or hall of fame locks) as of yet.

Answer 4

Philadelphia Flyers All-Time team.

1st Line:
C:Bobby Clarke
RW:Reggie Leach
LW:John LeClair
D:Eric Desjardins
D:Mark Howe

2nd Line:
C: Eric Lindros
RW:Mark Recchi
LW:Bill Barber
D: Tom Bladon
D: Paul Coffey

3rd Line:

C:Peter Forsberg
RW:Tim Kerr
LW:Rick Macleish
D:Brad McCrimmon
D:Joe Watson

4th Line
C:Darryl Sittler
RW:Rick Tocchet
LW:Brian Propp
D: Derian Hatcher
D:Danny Markov

Goaltenders
1. Bernie Parent
2.Ron Hextall

Coaches
1. Fred Shero
2. Mike Keenan

Answer 5

I'll bite. Montreal Canadiens
Line 1: Blake, Richard, Lach, Robinson, Harvey
Line 2: Lafleur, Shutt, Lemaire, Langway, Butch Bouchard
Line 3: Beliveau, F. Mahovlich, Geoffrion, Jack Laviolette, Serge Savard
Line 4: Cournyer, Gainey, P Mahovlich, Lapointe, Chelios

Goal: Dryden, Roy, Plante

Left out: Kirk Muller, Saku Koivu, Guy Carbonneau, Newsy Lalonde, George Hainsworth, Bill Durnan, John Ferguson, Vincent Damphousse, Henri Richard, Babe Seibert, Joe Malone, Howie Morenz, Georges Vezina, Dickie Moore, Jacques Laperierre, Gordie Drillon. Stephane Richer, Aurel Joilliet, Mark Recchi, Mathieu Schneider, Bert Olmstead, Lyle Odelein, Mats Naslund, Mickey Redmond, Tony Esposito, Claude Lemieux, Sprague Cleghorn, Eric Desjardins, Brian Bellows and Herb Gardiner.

This team actually has a goalie who can stop the puck.

Answer 6

Ok to caseman I take issue with the goaltending I would put vernon ahead of hasek. Either you didn't watch the 1997 and 1998 playoffs but vernon and yzerman were the story of those years. But other than that I can't argue with the rank of the other all time players you mention. Now to Bob you misread the question. Heere's Johnny wanted debate. So you didn't need to blast him for that. Of course Montreal is the best of all time. Recently they have struggled but they own the most cups. The pens were great in the 1990's they had a small bad streak but have finally turned the corner. No one here is comparing the pens to the likes of richard, so you don't have to be fuming about this. Oh and Johnny I would put whitney in the defenseman list but other than that can't argue with it. You did pick the best penguin coach by far.

Answer 7

All-time Oilers

LW Jari Kurri C Gretzky RW Smyth
D Coffey D Pronger

LW Tikkanen C Messier RW Anderson
D Lowe D J. Smith

LW Damphousse C Weight RW Pisani
D Hamrlik D S. Smith

LW Graves C Peca RW Semenko
D Fogolin D Richardson

G Joseph, Ranford, Fuhr

cmon...somebody please do a better job? i just made this from the top of my head...im pretty sure it could improve and beat the all time penguins

I dunno...but maybe someday we could have technology that could simulate these kind of games...with all-time montreal toronto detroit pittsburgh NYI NYR edmonton....man that would be awesome

Also...in Winning Eleven for PS2...u can play with all time soccer teams....is there any hockey game that has this feature?

thanx

Answer 8

My list is similar to yours for similar reasons. 1) Raiders. I've always been a 'raider hater'! 2) the Patriots cause of what they've prevented the C H A R G E R S of doing! S U P E R B O W L next season!! 3) tie between the Broncos and Chiefs(divisional foes) THE S A N D I E G O S U P E R C H A R G E R S fan!! :) ;)

Answer 9

All-Red Wings Team

1st Line:

C: Steve Yzerman "A"
RW: Gordie Howe "C" (HOF)
LW: Ted Lindsay (HOF)
D: Nicklas Lidstrom "A"
D: Paul Coffey (HOF)

2nd Line:

C: Marcel Dionne (HOF)
RW: Brett Hull
LW: Luc Robitaille
D: Chris Chelios
D: Red Kelly (HOF)

3rd Line:

C: Sergei Fedorov
RW: Pavel Datsyuk
LW: Brendan Shanahan
D: Larry Murphy (HOF)
D: Marcel Pronovost (HOF)

4th Line:

C: Alex Delvecchio (HOF)
RW: Kris Draper
LW: Bob Probert
D: Vladimir Konstantinov
D: Mark Howe

G: Terry Sawchuk (HOF)
G: Dominik Hasek

Coach: Scotty Bowman (HOF)

Answer 10

I'll agree with PuckDat and the Canadiens. The pens lineup is good but it's pretty sad if you consider Roberts in the top 12 forwards of the franchise.