Do you agree with David Cameron that really disruptive pupils should be removed completely from the schools...

Question

...and placed in "behaviour units"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/6923885.stm

and for persistent offenders should the old approved schools be brought back?

There you are then lorraine h - we live and learn and change our views - as we allowed to or *should* be.
I always remember hearing an American on the radio saying "A conservative is a liberal who has been mugged" - so true (that doesn't refer to *our* political parties by the way but an attitude).
I feel for you and your boy - I really do.I just hope that somehow we can sort this mess out for the sake's of *all* of our children and therefore for Society *as a whole* - I truly believe it is that urgent - our children (and grandchildren) are our future - not just ours as individuals but *all* of ours.

Answer 1

A child who is distrubting a class needs to be removed so that the rest of the class can learn. It may be that the child has learning difficulties and should be else where anyway. Once placed in the right environment the child may never cause trouble again. Our son was trouble in mainstream but in a special needs school where his problems are understood he does not cause trouble. Real trouble needs to be in some sort of unit so that they can be helped and so others can learn. Why should anyone have to be distrupted and lose their chance of an education. troubled children come in all walks of life and in any family. Not all children learn the same way and this needs to be recognised. One size does not fit all .

Answer 2

At the end of the day, the Headteacher knows best who should and who shouldn't be excluded from schools, not an external body that takes a case on. So yes, I would agree with him and his lack of confidence in the current system.

For persistent offenders in the current climate of welfare state being better for you than a low paid job, the entire system, however it is dealt with may fail. If it is seen that by getting a girl pregnant and sponging off the state is an easier and in a lot of cases giving a far higher level of living then it does not take much education to understand it. Until it is made a more even playing field for workers where ethics actually mean something, children who see themselves with no future will always chose the easier option.

Answer 3

Yes to both questions. Teachers have enough problems without having to spend their time controlling disruptive pupils. Also pupils who want to learn must find it very frustrating when other pupils spoil the lesson. These disruptive pupils are usually the ones who cause problems outside school so persistent offenders should be locked up and helped in the old style approved schools. Perhaps by keeping them out of normal schools and off the streets the non offenders can enjoy their life much better.

Answer 4

No not at all.

Firstly how do you class a disruptive student? When I was in secondry school, I was at a grammar school; which was proud of their acedmic and sporting achievements. I wasn't disruptive where I was mouthing off to teachers and being generally abusive, but I didnt really do homework and I used to try and get out of PE. But I still got good grades, and overall I was a pleasant pupil.

But in such a school, would I have been seen as disruptive? Would I have been seen as too much hard work for a teacher? Would they have rather just taught the easier children?

What David Cameron is doing is giving schools a get out clause. He is saying, 'hey, you dont have to do your job properly, anything that is too hard, we will get rid of, sweep them off the carpet.'

What we will end up with is a disproportionate representation of achievers, all exams will be passed making them pointless. And in the end making them harder.

What we need are better trained teachers, and teachers and schools that care. I don't know how easy that would be, but it is what is needed.

Answer 5

I'm only 18 so only left school last year...However, for the first 5 years of secondary school life, I was put in classes with naughty children that never learnt their lesson, and most of the time with teachers that didn't follow set procedures to deal with kids like these. I think persistent offenders should be moved to other places as they disturb the lesson for everyone else. Half the lesson was spent dealing with troublesome kids, that is half a child's education gone down the drain because of children that cannot behave. Why should good children have to suffer because of them?

Answer 6

I certainly think schools need more powers to deal with disruptive pupils. We have one in my kids class, unfortunately the school is dealing with a mother who has rose coloured specs on when looking at her daughter. She believes school is picking on her and will not accept any of the disciplines the school wishes to impose on the girl. The girl now thinks teacher is powerless and is mucking about more. trips to the head dont bother her, she is there most days. Behaviour not quite bad enough to expell, so vicious circle.

System relies on parents and teachers working together, but if that does not happen kids can carry on being disruptive.

Answer 7

i agree with natasha, they shouldn't be thrown out at all.

besides, what about kids with behavioural problems such as ADHD and dyspraxia, does that mean that because they are a little disruptive in class and get very hyperactive that they don't have the right to an education. you also get students who are very well behaved for some teachers and yet pretty horrible in others. for instance, my brother is very disruptive in school, but is very intelligent, at my last school i wasn't disruptive, but i stood up for what i believed in, and that got me into trouble a lot, especially in geography and German.

there are also reasons why people are disruptive other than have behaviour problems, like if they find the work too easy like i did with German, i found that i knew more German than my teacher could actually speak, so i was just repeating work that i already knew.

i think rather than just kicking students out they should give them counselling and find out why they are doing it and kick it in the butt, we should also do what the American schools do and if students are achieving higher than their peers even in the top set, we should be allowed to move up a year so we are doing work that will benefit.

Answer 8

it seems that politicians are trying to solve a societal problem again in an a*se about face way AGAIN!!!

the main political parties in this country are all singing from the same hymn book... time to change me thinks!!

hows about looking at why there's a problem with some pupils at school - the area where they are living.... opportunities of employment within the area of which the parents bring up the kids..... % of people claiming benefit within the area they live...... the restrictions put on teachers to properly punish unruly kids - with or without parents consent etc etc.

just some thoughts.

Answer 9

If it gets to the point that children who can and do behave themselves are having their education ruined by such children, then yes I do agree. At our local primary school there's a very disruptive pupil and she's ruining it for everyone else.

Answer 10

I totally agree that disruptive students should be removed but lets face it's not actually going to work, you try it once and the parent will appeal, their child is being discriminated against for being an ethnic minority, dyslexic, autistic, adhd, whichever fits instead of admiting that their child is a little sh i t.