Have conservatives completed abandoned logic?

Question

June 30, 2007 - The Pakistani president, Gen. Pervez Musharraf, was warned this month that Islamic militants and Taliban fighters are rapidly spreading beyond the country's lawless tribal lands and that without "swift and decisive action," the growing militancy could engulf the rest of the country.

As everyone knows, or should know, Pakistan is the only Islamic country with known nuclear capabilities and that it borders Afghanistan, home of the Taliban and the bin Laden branch of al Qaeda. When will the Republican party, and their supporters, admit that abandoning Afghanistan for Iraq was an error of what could be disastrous proportions, and that if our military belongs anywhere in the middle east they belong not in Iraq but in Afghanistan, helping to protect the Pakistani border against Taliban style militants and ideology?

Hey, Daniel. Here's your cracker.
There are currently only 50,000 NATO troops in Afghanistan. There are nearly 3 TIMES as many troops in Iraq. And if the NATO troops are doing such a great job, why did Bush divert some troops from Iraq? Even HE knows a stronger presence is needed there but that we just don't have the manpower to carry on in both countries. I don't spout party lines; I don't believe in them. I think for myself and I think we belong in Afghanistan.

Answer 1

How can you abandon logic if you never had it to begin with?

Answer 2

The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were in the hopes that we could establish a pro-United States government. In doing so, it would keep the hostility of other Middle East countries (for example, Pakistan) in check.

Invading Pakistan would have caused a nuclear war. We're trying to AVERT that disaster. However, the turmoil in the Middle East is quickly coming to a boil, and I believe it's only a matter of time before World War III starts in earnest. This is not something that can be averted completely; it's inevitable no matter WHO is in office, be they liberal or conservative.

Point three, we have not abandoned Afghanistan. We are still sending lots of soldiers there. Unfortunately, the news media's focus is on the war in Iraq. Our soldiers ARE still dying in Afghanistan, they're still fighting, they're still being deployed for fifteen months.

Point four, the war in Iraq was not just about WMD's. That was an excuse. And no, it's not about oil either. It was a strategic maneuver more than anything. Now we've got Iran, which is considered a HUGE threat, boxed in on two sides. It was hoped that bringing stability to Iraq would bring stability to the rest of the Middle East. Obviously, it hasn't helped. Some might say that it has harmed matters.

However, we ARE needed in Iraq. The government says so, and so do most of the people. They cried when we left after the FIRST Iraq war, remember that? They thought we had come to liberate them then. And now that we ARE there, they're being told that we just want their oil, which isn't true. If it was, we could have completely overpowered them and taken over. They were not equipped to fight back. Making Hussein think that we were after his WMD's was the smartest thing we could have done. He figured we'd come in, poke around a little, then let him get back to being an evil dictator. Hence, why he was hiding in a hole waiting for us to leave, rather than escaping to a more friendly country, such as Syria or Jordan.

There is so much more to this than what we've been told. There is so much more to the Middle East than what we've been led to believe.

Besides, Pakistan is held in check by India, which also possesses nuclear weapons. AND, as long as we keep friendly relations with Russia and China, Pakistan won't be a problem. Even if Musharraf decides to get trigger happy, the U.S. could easily turn Pakistan into a glass parking lot, and HE KNOWS IT.

Answer 3

us cons have a lot of very hard things to try and defend right now. i mean, this war just doesnt look good. but here we sit trying to defend our position; and we hold out hope.

you know, it is a very difficult thing for some to say, "dangit, i was wrong....". not that i'm saying i am in anyway wrong about anything ever you understand, right? i mean i'm always right.

but, if you ignore this elephent in the kitchen that is this war, bush has done ok, (well except for that homeland security thing...that was dumb making governmaent even bigger). and you must admit, bush has been our prez in a very strange dangerous weird time, (after 911). i do not know that he has done any worse than anyone else would have.

the administration takes a lot of flack like hurricane katrina that nobody could have done anything about, (well because homeland security neuterd fema). i mean new orleans is below sea level and a big ol' hurricane hit them...

good conservetive economics and general policies are still the right way to view the world. it's just that lately a lot of the politicos actions arent anywhere close to those ideas and concepts....

i dunno what to tell you about gonzo. that is yet another thing that i cant defend...i wish he would just resign before ya'll get all this NEW fresh ammunition. this might be very bad.....

and just so you know, we didnt abandon afghanistan. but we cannot go into pakistan for the reasons you mentioned. now if we were not in iraq, maybe we could. we could use troops to help the pakistan government fight the extremist back lash. yeah pakistan is a interesting proposition 'cause a those nukes though. (bet i get 100% thumbs down...hated by both sides...that's me! a true independent..rah!)

Answer 4

The problem is that President Bush is pathologically unable to admit he ever made a mistake, especially on such an important matter as this one. Maybe he thinks he's giving the Democrats too much power if he admits they were right to begin with.

The Republicans know their power is in sticking together. No Republican leader can criticize the president, so they have to pretend they believe him, and that they think he's doing a great job. This is getting harder and harder! So they mostly just try to avoid the subject. Imagine running for president these days and not being able to admit that the war is unwinnable and President Bush is out of touch with reality! I almost feel sorry for them.

Answer 5

If I felt like spending the next half hour on this post, I could list a few hundred illogical concepts the Liberals hold dear.

Like how gun control makes people safer, yet the four cities with the strictest gun control laws make up 25% of gun-related violent crimes in America (New York City, Washington D.C., San Francisco, and Chicago).

NeoConservatives and Liberals both are chock full of illogical ideas and both need to get their heads out of their rear ends and begin using those brains they claim are Ivy League educated instead of spewing the same rhetoric over and over and over.

Answer 6

Why are we in Iraq in the first place? We have no need to be there. Our motive was that they had WMD's and that wasn't true. It's obvious that we are there for different reasons. Hint: controlling oil reserves, putting a puppet government and building a military base.

“We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories … And we'll find more weapons as time goes on. But for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them." —Washington, D.C., May 30, 2003

6. "Those weapons of mass destruction have got to be somewhere!" —President George W. Bush, joking about his administration's failure to find WMDs in Iraq as he narrated a comic slideshow during the Radio & TV Correspondents' Association dinner, Washington, D.C., March 24, 2004

Answer 7

The libs in the govt abandoned more logic than anyone. Shall I quote the traitor Harry Reid. "The war in Iraq is lost". Comming from a man who NEVER put on a uniform in his life, and has no concept of WAR except to undermind the Generals and strengthen enemy resolve at the cost of American lives. How does this idiot sleep at night?

Answer 8

Agreed. Unfortunately our government has a history and a present of supporting dictators and dangerous regimes.

Answer 9

How did we abandon Afghanistan? We still have troops there along with other NATO troops.

If we HAD abandoned Afghanistan then I would totally agree with you.

Quit letting your political bias blind you to the truth. Check your facts instead of repeating what you've been told by your political leaders.

"Polly want a cracker?"
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So the President is abandoning Afghanistan by diverting more troops there?

Answer 10

No you must have that mistaken for your own party.

To the mentally challenged person above, you Democrats voted to go to war, so how was Bush wrong? You people are never RIGHT about anything, so just give it up already!

Answer 11

Seems like you think you have all the answers.
Too bad it's not the truth.
Maybe another time you'll have a decent answer.