Remember the old 'innocent until proven guilty' idea?

Question

There were an awful lot of people here saying that, after the UK attacks recently, we had every right to know the personal details of the people who were allegedly involved. (I'm not on about the people caught at the scene, obviously, I'm talking about people who were suspected to be linked with it.) Many also said that the suspects should have been thrown in jail asap... without waiting for the facts.

Well, what do you say now, having read this?
"The case against Dr Haneef came under question after prosecution evidence made in a previous hearing was disputed. Prosecutors had claimed that the doctor's SIM card had been found in the burning car that crashed into Glasgow international airport on 30 June. But it later emerged the card had actually been found in a flat in Liverpool, some 300km (185 miles) from Glasgow, where his cousin lived. " http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pa...

Still think that we should know all the details before any guilt is established?

my point is that the entire case against this man has been dropped... but it didn't stop the press giving us every little detail of his life when he hadn't been found guilty.

Oban - yes, but what about the press releasing all his details, and people automatically assuming it is true that he was definitely involved? Ridiculous.

Answer 1

Innocent until proven guilty has, unfortunately, been thrown out the window in our country! Here, you are guilty until you are proven innocent. It's too bad we wave such lofty ideals to the rest of the world, but in reality are no better than the rest when it comes to human rights.

Answer 2

Hm, difficult. I am all for human rights and all that...but.....I have worked for the NHS and actually came across some illegal activites by some doctors into our computer network and one guy managed to get application papers for a network account. We grew suspicious and looked further into this and this guy could not be found. He only had a mobile number on his application (which is not unusual, as they might be all over the wards and otherwise hard to contact), but when we called him, we always had different people on the line and some could not even speak English. The ones that could speak English demanded that we give the password to them. Only managers can get hold of those application forms, so that is quite concerning that someone else got them. When we checked with HR, noone with this name was ever employed.
The problem is to proove who was involved in it. It might have been a manager, someone else might have stolen it and copied it, we won't know.

I think there should be some good measure, but I personally don't know what to think of it: Either restrict a few people's freedom for a while to save loads of people from potential killings, or stick to liberal thinking and defend humanity and humand rights, I don't know. Sometimes it is pc gone mad and other times it is neglect.
Good question.

Answer 3

I remember the saying , along with the right for free speach

As things go , the word LAW ment something

Bring back the old days , sooner than later

Answer 4

Thank you for your recollection and insightful comments.

The morons that fail to see the points that you put forward are the very people who will scream loudest when it does happen to them... and I PRAY THAT IT DOES.

Isn't ironic that the Australian government, like the British, like the US are prepared to fabricate evidence in the hope that it will fortify their false claims... We have to be grateful that we still have independent judiciaries in these countries, because their judgements will continue to pour light on this folly, 'war on terror'.

Answer 5

I think the press should be more responsible. People do like to jump on bandwagons, and get over excited without knowing all the facts.
I believe too, that rapists should get anonymity, until proven guilty.
Too many armachair detectives sitting around, getting obsessive.

Answer 6

No that's the police's job. The public's job is to try and find out how and why these pieces fit together, and the Court's (lawyers, barristers, solicitors, judges) job is to find out the truth behind everything, to confirm the police's job, and the prosecuting lawyer's job is to demolish that piece of bullshit sentence.

Answer 7

I agree with answer no. 3. Some people caught red handed but still get away with it. In Haneef case still there's a question of his association with his second cousin. I'm just hoping he is really that a good person.

Answer 8

many guilty people get away with many offences due to a lack of evidence, it does not make them innocent however

point taken, however many people have been found guilty on prefabricated evidence, this still does not make them guilty

i am very open minded on this, is there any explanation as to why his SIM card was in Liverpool and not in Australia?

Answer 9

he's a muslim isn't he?
real terorists aren't caught they are given special treatment even aided in getting the most they to live a better life than the wetserners themselves.
it's just the UK's way to avert people from the fact that it gave poliical immunity and still does to terrorists as well as aid them in their native countries to overthrow legitimate governments. the US does the same .
don't provide safe havens for terrorists then blame islam and every muslim for it. muslims are only lenient with terrorists in their countries if the west said they should in favor of the alleged democracy.
don't blame another religion for your actions esp since there are enough terrorists and criminals in the western democratic nations who are treated worse in prisons than these alleged freedom fighters who take refuge in your countries and aid in corrupting it.
i never saw terrorists get away with so much in the middle east until the west got involved in giving them VIP treatment. I guess working directly with iran and hezbollah as well as killing policemen has it's perks.
many people are innocent , a few years ago a man was suspected of being a terrorist for saying a prayer , recently two saudis were reported to the police because they had arab features , and don't forget the muslim clerics thrown off a plane for praying.

Answer 10

it seems the prosecutor was a little overzealous, wasn't he.