Aborting fetuses - NOT babies - is not OK, but killing adult humans is?

Question

Several anti-abortion groups have planned a three-day celebration to be held in Milwaukee, WI, this weekend (http://www.ezekielsystems.com/paulhillmemorial/ ) to "honor" Paul Jennings Hill, "an anti-abortion activist and terrorist connected to the Army of God, who was convicted of the murders of physician John Britton and his clinic escort, James Barrett, outside a Pensacola, Florida abortion clinic on July 29, 1994. In addition to the two murders, Hill seriously wounded Barrett's wife. Sentenced to the death penalty under Florida law, Hill died by lethal injection" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Jennings_Hill ). Paul Hill Days is to include an actual *reenactment* of the murder and is being sponsored by the Paul Hill Memorial organization, Children Need Heroes, Street Preach, and Pro-Life Virginia. It has even been condemned (though not vocally) by Wisconsin Right to Life (http://www.wrtl.org/News07/070207.pdf ).

WTF IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE?!

Well, is it not slightly appalling that some organizations think our kids need unapologetic murderous psychopaths for "heroes"?

Thanks, Carrie. Those were really great articles. This country creeps me out.

Yes, Moth and Kendrick, I'm well aware of the "logic" which is flawed in about 15 different ways that these people employ to feel that they are "sacrificing one person to save more." This is unfortunately also called "playing God" - deciding whose life is worth more and when, and who has the right to "put a person on moral trial" and punish him/her. Abortion is legal. Abortionists do not "murder." They do not abort "babies" - they abort fetuses that cannot think or comprehend or use language or recognize their relatives, not to mention about 30 other "differences" which distinguish fetuses from children and babies and which are fundamental to what it means to be human. The fetuses are *not wanted*. The fetuses are not being tortured by being shot or beat up or harassed.

This tactic is also called "forcing one's beliefs onto others using violence and fear." You think that's OK? I don't think so.

LOL. Carrie, I'm not offended at all. I may join you in Canada in a few years.

Religion, in my experience, tends to make people retarded, and in fact seems to encourage them to *forget* compassion for their fellow humans. And how ironic that a girl here on Yahoo! Answers - if they're even on Answers, imagine how many others like her are in a myriad of places doing a myriad of things with a myriad of organizations affecting or preaching to a myriad of people - considers this weirdo Paul Hill a "hero."

Thanks, Ire. I'll remember that. That indeed even strengthens my point.

Answer 1

The part that I don't understand is how a person cannot be trusted with a choice but be totally trusted with a child. You cannot legislate morality and you cannot make everyone who gets pregnant love that child and want to nurture him or her. Legal or not, abortions will go on. They have gone on for thousands of years. Either they can be in a controlled situation or you can have backstreet people doing them and going up to nine months into the pregnancy. Sadly it is a fact of life and it will continue to be so.
To take a life to protest taking a life makes no sense to me.
I dislike abortion, the whole idea of. In no circumstances would I abort my own child. But....I do not have the right to choose what someone else does. They have to live with that for the rest of their lives.
Funny enough, these people in these organizations are the same ones that are cheering on good and moral George Bush, staunch man of God that he is, in this Iraqi war where over 700,000 Iraqi and over 3700 Americans have died. Many of the Iraqi were small children. Does the right to life only extend if these are American white fetus? Seems to be okay with them for these children to be incinerated when the bombs hit. Their thinking is at best convaluted.
How many of these people have actually taken an unwanted child into their home and cared for him? How many feed the hungry children born into the world today?
Most of these people just talk about how it should be but make no attempt to change it into a better world for the children already here. They turn a blind eye.
I am not pro-abortion, I am pro-CHOICE.

Answer 2

I would rather see puppies aborted. You are preventing those puppies from potentially going through alot of pain and suffering from irresponsible proplr. If a litter of puppies is allowed to be born into the hands of anybody other than a very responsible person or reliable breeder, I would bet that over half the litter will eventually end up in a shelter anyway. Does it matter if the pups are purebreds or mutts? No. An unplanned litter is an unplanned litter. Unless that purebred has titles, registration papers and health screenings, you're not only contributing to an overpopultion problem by allowing those puppies to be born, your hurting the breed. Age or health? Well if the female has health problems, she shouldn't be having puppies at all. Same with age, if she is too young or too old, again, it's probably for the best.

Answer 3

It's too bad people who are in favor of life aren't all more consistant with their beliefs and take credibility away from the purpose and concept of promoting life in the first place. I don't belive in abortion and think it should be illegal in cases in which the fetus is viable. I am also against the death penalty believing humans have proven they're too flawed to carry out that level of justice however deserved because fatal mistakes are made. Life in prison for violent criminals is more like it and we could do it if non violent criminals weren't put in prison. As part of my philosophy I'm against all forms of pollution, nukes, and so on that ruin the health of living things including the biosphere as a whole. People like the ones you mentioned who do this for ideological reasons are more likely than not a collection of obsessive compulsives sharing the same obsession. As is the nature of mental illness they are unable to stop short of doing the wrong thing in an attempt to do the right thing.

Answer 4

Interesting and controversial. Not that it should be controversial. I cannot understand anyone not being pro-choice. I just don't get it. And I do not get how any woman over reproductive age, or any man, period can have an opinion one way or another about a woman's choice (don't freak out, it's my opinion, and I'm entitled to it). If it's not okay to go in and sterilize people who are incapable of taking care of children; if euthanasia is not okay; if it's not okay to to sell our organs, and if it's not okay to castrate sex offenders, all in the name of the sanctity of the human body, then it's not okay to talk to me about what I should do with that fetus inside my body. There is no black and white on this, in my opinion. What pro-life activists probably don't realize is that if abortion were made illegal, the foundation would be laid for all kinds of invasions of the human body.

Those psycopaths that go around killing abortion doctors are just that--they are mentally ill fanatics who really believe they are saving precious little baby angels. That is just not the case. They're killing people to say that killing not-people is wrong. There's nothing to say beyond that--they're insane. Certifiable. I will never be convinced otherwise. Man, "If these walls could talk," indeed.

The whole thing is ridiculous, and only Monty Python can summarize how ridiculous with their"every sperm is sacred" song. That's how nonsensical it all is--that whole song was meant to mock these people and their anti-abortion idiocy, and it does a great job of it.

And to the "person" who said this questioner should have been aborted--you are sick, and I can only say that the best part of you ran down your mother's leg. How did that feel?

EDIT: That was troll shark? Hmmm....that must have been a joke? If so, it wasn't obvious, but considering your previous responses, it must be. I hope so. Clearly, I have a very visceral response to questions such as these. If it was a joke, I apologize.

Answer 5

I am pro-choice. Why subject the mother and unborn baby to future trauma? The life which is already born into the world should take precedence over the foetus in the body. The human who knows emotional pain, has suffered and rejoiced shouldn't die because of an embryo in the womb which has not experienced anything. I find it ridiculous how people who are anti-abortion make it sound like women decide to abort with just the snap of her fingers like it's nothing. They have no right forcing a woman to give birth to a baby when she doesn't want to, it's already against human rights. So embryo rights before human rights?

And i agree with a poster that says that we should solve more important matters first like the BORN CHILD who doesn't have enough food to eat in third world countries right now, instead of being overzealous over an embryo in the womb.

Answer 6

I love the bumper sticker that says 'You can't be pro-life AND pro-war'. I think it IS that cut and dry. I am pro-choice, and I won't try to defend myself by adding 'even though it isn't for me' (wtf, I haaate that). Either you are or you aren't, and I don't ask pro-lifers to 'defend' their stance either. Honestly, I could give a firck. Here's an odd statement, I'm also pro capital punishment and believe any child molester or rapist should be executed.....publicly. I am however anti-war. Mostly I'm all for killing when the situation is right.....hehehe.

I do occassioanlly see these extremeist fruitcakes lining this massively busy street we have in our town. I think they all filter out of a baptist church. They hold up signs with cut up fetuses, while they perch precariously on the edge of the curb while clutching a double stroller with 2 dirty looking babies in it, meanwhile their 5,6,7,8 and 10 and 12 year olds get to hold up their own signs. My kids are like " What's going on, Mommy?". I always tell them its just a bunch of lost souls and to pity them. I am tempted to just let one wheel get up on the curb, and whoops! I could easily and very accidentally take out a mom or two. Its no wonder these kids are all fricked up, having to watch abortion videos and hold dead cut up fetus signs from age 2 on. Where the HELL is family services??!?!?!?

I totally agree with another poster about worrying about the children that are LIVING. helllllooooo? I would be much more apt to listen what a pro-lifer has to say if I knew they were actively involved in making sure the children of the world had proper medical care, food, etc. And, NO this doesn't include dropping your spare change in the tithe basket on Sundays. Idiots.

Answer 7

Abortion seems to be one of those black and white issues...either you are for it or against it. I am pro-choice since I don't think our government should interfere with a woman's choice....although I don't think our government should pay for abortions, since I consider it more of an elective surgery so to speak. As for the anti-abortionists who practice homicide...they should be locked away with the other murderers in our society.

Answer 8

Let me get this right... abortion is wrong... but killing doctors is celebrated?

Abortion is wrong...even though animals in the wild do it when they know they cannot take care of their offspring... therefore making it a natural process.

Abortion is wrong... isn't it just as wrong for a woman who has 10 kids that can't take care of them (making them a burden on the rest of us) to be allowed to carry ANOTHER child to term?

Answer 9

This is simple.

An unborn fetus has not had a shot at life. A "bad" adult has. The actions of the "bad" adult are supposedly punishable by death (according to the logic noted in the articles); since fetuses do not have any control over their own existences/actions, they are deemed to be more precious (worthy of life?) in their eyes.

I don't personally think murder is acceptable.

Answer 10

Thankfully, we don't have to deal with this sort of insanity up here in the Great White North - or at least not since 1988 ;););)

That doesn't mean that there aren't still protests - but without the law on their side, the "crazies" among then can NEVER get away with anything like this...

I agree with your last statement - what could possibly be going through the minds of people like this???

What's scheduled for next year - "reenactments" of rape and sexual assault...
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