Liberals stop Shell from drilling, and who wants us to stop being dependent on foreign oil?

Question

A federal appeals court has ordered Shell Oil to stop its exploratory drilling off the north coast of Alaska until a hearing in August. The order from the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit blocks the February approval by the federal Minerals Management Service of Shell's offshore exploration plan for the Beaufort Sea. Vessels currently located in the area shall cease all operations performed in furtherance of that program and need not depart the area," said the Ninth Circus. "Opponents contend that the Minerals Management Service approved Shell's plan without fully considering that a large spill would harm marine mammals, including bowhead and beluga whales. They say polar bears could also be harmed, and they question whether cleaning up a sizable spill would even be possible in the icy waters."

So here we are, the same damn people demanding energy independence standing in the way of drilling that an oil company, Shell, had been granted the right to do. The Ninth Circus, they are the most overturned appellate court at the US Supreme Court, but this is not anywhere near the US Supreme Court. What do you think the odds are that Shell will ever get the right to drill back, now that they've been ordered to be suspended? Slim to none and slim has left town, as they say.

http://www.reuters.com/article/bondsNews/idUSN2033359620070721

Answer 1

When people say we need "energy independence," it does not mean getting oil from our own territory; it means not using oil at all. What it means is finding other forms of energy that aren't fossil fuels. I think you are misinterpreting "energy independence."

Answer 2

Royal Dutch Shell did not renew their Oil Leases last fall at the Department of Interior Oil rights sell off.

Plus they still owe the MMS millions in unpaid Oil fees.

Look at BP they are also a foreign Oil Company and drilling on the North Slop with no Problems.

The 9th Circuit is the largest of all Courts in America. With a major case load of international Contract law. They would not stop Royal Dutch Shell if Shell was keeping the Law.

Here is the kicker Republican Alaska relies on those Oil revenues. If Shell does not pay it's back due MMS fees Alaskans will suffer.

So who do you support Foreign corporate terrorist or Americans

Answer 3

Energy independence and environmentalism are two different issues, even though at least some folks are big into both.

If you just want energy independence, then, yes, domestic energy production of any kind - oil drilling in wildlife preserves, sucking hydrous methane off the ocean floor, unshielded nuclear reactors, damming every river in the country, and so forth - are all on the table. As long as you can get energy without critical inputs from unstable regions of the globe, you're good.

If you're an environmentalist, you just want what's best for the sacred earth which gave us all life. You're against using oil, or any other fossil fuel, because it loads carbon into the atmosphere. You're against nuclear power because it produces nasty evil radiation. You're against hydroelectric power becasue it destroys fragile riparian ecosystems, and windmills because they kill birds. You're against transistor technologies because they use toxic chimicals (solar cells are transistors, BTW). If that means using less power - or no power, if there's no other alternative - then so be it. Humanity existed for a hundred thousand years in harmony with nature, we don't really /need/ all that power.

If you want /both/, then you're limitted to hoping for a sort of Star Trek future of cheap solar cells and super-efficient batteries. Power that's cheap, clean, limittless perfectly safe, and leaves sacred Mother Earth exactly as you found her.

So, no, it's not inherently contradictory, just very optimistic.

Answer 4

this will all change and is exactly why the average Joe knows the dangers of liberalism and the way it has been hijacked by people that want to deny rights and control from a positon when they do not have a majority..

that Court will be rendered benign..this next election holds all of the cards..watch this Court ask for a Foreign Voter Advocacy Commission.

"the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe. This group actually monitored our elections in 2004. Its relations to oversee this next election"

...there are cases in circulation that will put them in a position to mandate that scenario...and the commission is totally liberal

Answer 5

Energy independence does not mean getting oil from somewhere else -- it means no longer being dependent on oil overall.

Not to mention that the people who sued to stop the drilling are probably people who oppose all activities that result in ecological damage, whether drilling or logging or building a shopping mall.

And I'm curious..... Have you checked to determine whether the specific panel judges who ruled on this are a liberals or conservatives? Or just jumping to conclusions about the entire 9th Circuit in general?

Answer 6

The problem is that most people do not understand supply and demand economics and what the structure is of the cost of gas per gallon. Do you know that we are using more oil now than EVER before! People are driving at an alarming rate. Do you realize how much petroleum’s used in making plastics and then how many things we use are made of plastics? The oil company makes about 9 cents a gallon as profit. The rest is made up of Federal and State taxes, the cost of exploration and production, Refining and then the cost of the additives that we have to put in the gas (we call it designer gas, thanks to the environmentalist wacko's). Do you know that we have not built a refinery in almost 40 years? (thanks again environmentalist). The refineries that we have are working at capacity and that is not enough to keep up with demand. Do you know that we hardly get any oil from the Middle East? Most people think that is where it all comes from. Not true. We get our oil form Canada, Mexico, Venezuela and Africa, in that order. What we get from Saudi is a very small %. You want the cost of gas to drop....STOP driving, open up the ANWR for drilling and off our coasts (thanks again environmentalist) OR come up with an alternate fuel.

Answer 7

I try to have confidence in our government as far as making decisions regarding oil drilling policies. Keeping in mind our needs, cost, availability, alternative energy sources, environmental impact, dependence on foreign oil, and all other things that enter into the equation.

Answer 8

See it's not foreign oil we need to stop being dependent on. It's oil in general. Fossil fuels, whatever you wanna call em. Because when we run out we're screwed.

Answer 9

I think we need to be even more dependent on foriegn oil, so we can go and take over some more places, that we have had the chance to yet, and maybe one of the countries that we try to take over will have the nards to throw a nuke at us, so then we can hurry and get WWIII started!!!! GO HILLARY!!!!

Answer 10

Always amazes me too. The regulate and tax the Hell out of Companies, and then go nuts when jobs go overseas.
If they weren't so destructive (Dems.) on our country, it would be funny to watch them.